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**utley** · November 23rd, 2015, 12:04 AM

I just did the smart thing and ordered the dvd for Windows 10. I find it stupid that Microsoft can sell it on their site for $199 yet newegg and other retailers can sell it for $135. This way lets me install it whenever I feel the need to upgrade my o/s.

If anyone believes they can no longer make a standalone installer disk, they would be naive. THe media creation tools are available - maybe not on microsofts website per se, but they are "out there" on the net. Hell, I have both the 32 bit and 64 bit applications on my hard drive...dont know why, I couldnt ever get them to work anyways. But if I still have them, then most certainly you can find them on google somewhere.

**DTravel** · November 23rd, 2015, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Danger

Microsoft removes standalone download of November Windows 10 update
If you want the November update for Windows 10, you can no longer use the Media Creation Tool to get it—Windows Update is the only option.

Reading between the lines here I don't think this is a case of MS deliberately shafting customers. As strange as it sounds coming from someone like me in this case MS may actually be helping Windows users. As I recall the latest update removes the option to roll back the W10 installation to the prior W7 or W8. If the user uses the MCT to download this latest update, it will remove that roll back option even if it has been less than 30 days since the W10 install. While apparently the Windows Updater tracks the time since W10 was installed and won't compromise that 30 day, uh, window.

**tomesing** · November 23rd, 2015, 12:59 PM

Imagebam/venue select type button does not work for me. Why?

tomesing

**Rick Danger** · November 23rd, 2015, 07:12 PM

The removal of the Windows 10 Version 1511 Media Creation Tool has caused a lot of confusion and angst among IT support personel.

Just like a good plumber would never show up to your home with only one wrench in her or his toolbag, IT pros like to have multiple tools in their kit. They like options. No pro believes that everything Microsoft gives them was written by the same hand that gave Moses the stone tablets.

Trolling around different forums and blogs, it's clear that IT pros appreciated having the ability to deploy Windows 10 via the MCT. First and foremost, it freed them from dependence on what is seen as the increasingly problematic Windows Update process. Secondly it was a vastly faster process. According to one blogger, it takes 45 minutes to download the .ISO files and only one hour for the update process to run. Compare that to the horror stories concerning how long the WU process for Windows 10 takes. In addition is the benefit that the entire process is offline. Recall that PC users on limited bandwidth Internet services were complaining of the overage charges they were seeing with the Windows 10 upgrade. Also, bloggers who used their own build media found it to be the best method for deploying a clean install.

But as usual with Windows 10, if you are a pro you have options. According to bloggers on TenForums corporate customers with MSDN subscriptions can still download Win 10 Version 1511 ISO files. Those who have already downloaded the build image are safe. Most IT pros are wary of downloading a build image willy nilly from the Internet.

Not much in the way of discussions as to why Microsoft pulled the MCT from general distribution. The fact that it is still available via MSDN would indicate that there is not a technical problem. There is some logic to the idea that the typical "home" user would probably not use this tool, or even be aware of it's existance. The lack of any real published statement from Microsoft is disconcerting. A simple announcement that it was being pulled from general distribution but is still available from MSDN or other Microsoft sources would have been a simple thing to do.

Gregg Keizer writing for Computerworld.com summed up the new situation:

Quote:

By yanking the November upgrade, Microsoft has limited how users -- whether those running Windows 10, or the earlier Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 editions eligible for a free upgrade -- obtain the latest version of Windows 10.

Those upgrading from Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 must now go through two upgrades: First to July 29's build 10240, and then again to 1511, or build 10586. Each is at least a 3GB download.

Customers already running Windows 10's build 10240 must hang tight and wait for Microsoft to offer the November upgrade in Windows Update, then download that for each device. That means Windows 10 users will no longer be able to create bootable, installable media -- typically a USB thumb drive, but alternately a DVD disc -- to upgrade multiple machines to 1511 without having to download the massive file to each system, consuming bandwidth and taking time.

Previously, Microsoft had been clear that it would use Windows Update to refresh Windows 10 with the two-to-three-times-a-year upgrades, as well as the monthly security updates. But it had also pledged that it would offer disk images in .iso file format for each upgrade to give advanced users another way to keep their devices up to date.

To clarify a point of confusion. The "Windows 10 November Update", "Window 10 Release 1511", and "Windows 10 Build 10586" are all the same thing. It is the most current public release of Windows 10.

So to sum it up: if you are an IT Pro, you can still obtain this tool. If you are Joe Average user or the avid hobbyist, you have one less option.

Je Suis Paris
Pray for Brussels

**Rick Danger** · November 23rd, 2015, 07:15 PM

Peggy Watt, in a Computerworld article, explained, “Some vendors claim a love-hate relationship with the Windows concept and its proponents. They complain about pressure from Microsoft to develop for its pet project or say that writing to Windows is too difficult to be done quickly. Even those in the industry who say they like the idea of a universal graphical interface are not certain the winner is Windows.

The result is a lull in Windows activity. Infocorp, a market research firm in Cupertino, Calif., estimates 85,000 to 100,000 copies of Windows are actually in users’ hands. That is only 20% of the 500,000 copies Microsoft claims to have shipped, including OEM-licensed copies and runtime versions bundled with Windows applications.”

Ms. Watt wrote this article on April 13, 1987.

"The more things change, the more they stay the same......"

Je Suis Paris
Pray for Brussel

**Rick Danger** · November 23rd, 2015, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomesing

Imagebam/venue select type button does not work for me. Why?

Sorry, this is the wrong thread. There is a thread for problems with imaging hosts: http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t11...pandhost-.html.

I gave it a quick read and the last posting is dated November 17th. But these hosts do have problems from time to time. Also, you may just need to restart your browser as a work around. And of course make sure it's up to date.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help..............

**Rick Danger** · November 23rd, 2015, 08:14 PM

I mentioned last week that the new Windows 10 Release 1511 resets application and system settings you may have modified back to their Microsoft defaults.

There's a new kink...............

Microsoft renames Diagnostic Tracking Service to Connected User Experiences and Telemetry
By Martin Brinkmann
Last Update: November 19, 2015

Microsoft launched the first big update for its Windows 10 operating system this month and while it introduced several new features and much-needed improvements, issues were reported as well.

Probably the most common one was that Microsoft reset some or even all default apps and settings in the update.

If you are not observant about those things, you may not have noticed that settings were reset to their default values which, at least where privacy comes into play, is quite problematic.

While it does not take long to restore the previous settings and make other apps the default programs again on Windows 10, something like this should never have happened in first place.

Windows 10 version 1511 ships with another change that may cause confusion at first.

The Diagnostics Tracking Service is a core tracking service of the operating system that controls data collection.

One option that you had in the past was to disable the service using the Services Console to block the data collecting from happening.

If you check Services after the major update, you will notice that the Diagnostics Tracking Service is gone.

Did Microsoft listen to users for once? No, they did not. Microsoft renamed the service instead which means that you will find it listed under its new name Connected User Experiences and Telemetry instead.

It is unclear why Microsoft changed the name in the update. One explanation would be to make it clearer what the service does but since Microsoft did not announce the change, the motive behind the change is unclear.

This means however that you will have to disable that service after the update to Windows 10 Build 1511 if you don't want the diagtrack service to run on the system.

Disable the Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service

To disable the new service, do the following:

Tap on the Windows-key, type services.msc and hit enter.
Locate the Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service (services are sorted alphabetically).
Double-click on the service.
Select Stop to terminate it.
Change the Startup Type of the service to disabled.

It seems necessary that you check back regularly, not only in Services but also the privacy settings that Windows 10 lists in the Settings application and the changes that you had to make in the Group Policy Editor or the Registry directly, as there is no telling if things will be reset or changed again in the future.

Since I'm rather a pessimist than an optimist when it comes to these things, I fear that this will happen on a regular basis from now on.

Je Suis Paris
Pray for Brussels

**Rick Danger** · November 23rd, 2015, 08:52 PM

If you are running 3rd party file encryption on your Windows 7 or 8 machine and plan on taking the Windows 10 update, you'd better check into this.....

-----Original Message-----
List: patchmanagement
From: Tippit, David [mailto

avid.Tippit@memorialhermann.org]
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 6:45 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586

Does anyone else use full disk encryption?

It seem that the upgrade wants to remove the encryption software we use before upgrading, which in our case would leave the disk unreadable to the installer.

I am still looking into the scenario. But wanted to know if any one well has run in to this?

Thanks,
;D

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Henson [mailto:ehenson@pfsweb.com]
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 8:26 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List <patchmanagement@listserv.patchmanagement.org>
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586

I suggest you decrypt your drive (and remove all AV) prior to upgrading.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tippit, David [mailto

avid.Tippit@memorialhermann.org]
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:39 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586

I was a afraid of that.

That will definitely put a bugger in our plans to move our enterprise to Windows 10.

I can do that with my test bed, but; when it comes time to update 10K+ devices that will be a logistical nightmare.

Thanks for the Suggestion
;D

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586
From: Daniel Ratliff <dratliff () humana ! com>
Date: 2015-11-23 15:54:28
Message-ID: 00354A0106E33E498DDE854C5D94176A4B7F7D16 () SIMMBXWPG07S02 ! rsc ! humad ! com

Your solution would be a computer refresh. Anyone with 3rd party encryption is in this boat.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=vs.85).aspx

Daniel Ratliff

Je Suis Paris
Pray for Brussels

**DTravel** · November 25th, 2015, 05:02 AM

I think a big part of Microsoft's problem is that they are trying to sell "The Microsoft Experience", forcing everyone into a Microsoft mold, instead of selling an operating system that will let users install and run the software that they need and want as individuals.

**utley** · November 27th, 2015, 02:26 AM

Going to give my first 24 hour experience with Windows X. Honestly do not see what peoples problem is with this operating system, really. Its a step in between Windows 7 and 8; its both annoying and satisfying at the same time. Searching for your applications in the start menu is now a huge pain in the ass until you find out that its almost identical to what it used to be. They just renamed everything.

Control Panel is now "settings".
Its easier to run your programs by tying it in the search windows pane on the taskbar now.
My computer process usage is virtually the same as it was before. My only concern right now is that my SLI setup seems to run a bit hotter in WinX than it did in Win7. If you use Ccleaner or any other tune up utility out there on the market (I use AVG PC Tuneup, been using them for over 10 years now...), you can modify which programs load on startup. Right now, just starting to hate Cortana, but only because Im not lazy and it expects me to be lazy. Gonna find a way to disable that crap...edit- was waaay easier than I thought. Just didnt sign onto a Microsoft account and turned Cortana off in its settings. Cortana off, Microsoft doesnt get any info from me, my privacy is set. So I just found out that its Cortana sending all the personal info to Microsoft. If you want to avert that, just dont use your microsoft login ID (which it will ask you for when you install Windows X), and just turn the thing off when you get to your desktop.
Stupid EASY fix.

Got Windows 7 gadgets installed again, that was pretty simple. All of my privacy settings seem normal and this system has some pretty neat features too. Heck, there is a network monitor that Ive never seen in any previous Windows O/S before other than a 3rd party app. Ive always had a rough start on new operating systems, and Windows X has been pretty rough for me to start with from the get-go...only way for me to do it was to just buy the operating system. Other than that, Ive no beef with it. Its doing its job.

And in case some of you are wondering...I do know my way around a computer.

November 23rd, 2015, 12:04 AM	#601
utley Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: WV Posts: 434 Thanks: 2,121 Thanked 11,314 Times in 452 Posts	I just did the smart thing and ordered the dvd for Windows 10. I find it stupid that Microsoft can sell it on their site for $199 yet newegg and other retailers can sell it for $135. This way lets me install it whenever I feel the need to upgrade my o/s. If anyone believes they can no longer make a standalone installer disk, they would be naive. THe media creation tools are available - maybe not on microsofts website per se, but they are "out there" on the net. Hell, I have both the 32 bit and 64 bit applications on my hard drive...dont know why, I couldnt ever get them to work anyways. But if I still have them, then most certainly you can find them on google somewhere. __________________ If I have broken links from imagebam, be advised I do not intend to reup; report the post and delete. Thanks in advance. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by utley; November 23rd, 2015 at 12:10 AM..

November 23rd, 2015, 07:15 PM	#605
Rick Danger Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the Chill lounge..... Posts: 1,725 Thanks: 6,794 Thanked 31,400 Times in 1,714 Posts	Past is Prologue................ Peggy Watt, in a Computerworld article, explained, “Some vendors claim a love-hate relationship with the Windows concept and its proponents. They complain about pressure from Microsoft to develop for its pet project or say that writing to Windows is too difficult to be done quickly. Even those in the industry who say they like the idea of a universal graphical interface are not certain the winner is Windows. The result is a lull in Windows activity. Infocorp, a market research firm in Cupertino, Calif., estimates 85,000 to 100,000 copies of Windows are actually in users’ hands. That is only 20% of the 500,000 copies Microsoft claims to have shipped, including OEM-licensed copies and runtime versions bundled with Windows applications.” Ms. Watt wrote this article on April 13, 1987. "The more things change, the more they stay the same......" Je Suis Paris Pray for Brussel

November 23rd, 2015, 08:14 PM	#607
Rick Danger Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the Chill lounge..... Posts: 1,725 Thanks: 6,794 Thanked 31,400 Times in 1,714 Posts	Microsoft renames Diagnostic Tracking Service I mentioned last week that the new Windows 10 Release 1511 resets application and system settings you may have modified back to their Microsoft defaults. There's a new kink............... Microsoft renames Diagnostic Tracking Service to Connected User Experiences and Telemetry By Martin Brinkmann Last Update: November 19, 2015 Microsoft launched the first big update for its Windows 10 operating system this month and while it introduced several new features and much-needed improvements, issues were reported as well. Probably the most common one was that Microsoft reset some or even all default apps and settings in the update. If you are not observant about those things, you may not have noticed that settings were reset to their default values which, at least where privacy comes into play, is quite problematic. While it does not take long to restore the previous settings and make other apps the default programs again on Windows 10, something like this should never have happened in first place. Windows 10 version 1511 ships with another change that may cause confusion at first. The Diagnostics Tracking Service is a core tracking service of the operating system that controls data collection. One option that you had in the past was to disable the service using the Services Console to block the data collecting from happening. If you check Services after the major update, you will notice that the Diagnostics Tracking Service is gone. Did Microsoft listen to users for once? No, they did not. Microsoft renamed the service instead which means that you will find it listed under its new name Connected User Experiences and Telemetry instead. It is unclear why Microsoft changed the name in the update. One explanation would be to make it clearer what the service does but since Microsoft did not announce the change, the motive behind the change is unclear. This means however that you will have to disable that service after the update to Windows 10 Build 1511 if you don't want the diagtrack service to run on the system. Disable the Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service To disable the new service, do the following: Tap on the Windows-key, type services.msc and hit enter. Locate the Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service (services are sorted alphabetically). Double-click on the service. Select Stop to terminate it. Change the Startup Type of the service to disabled. It seems necessary that you check back regularly, not only in Services but also the privacy settings that Windows 10 lists in the Settings application and the changes that you had to make in the Group Policy Editor or the Registry directly, as there is no telling if things will be reset or changed again in the future. Since I'm rather a pessimist than an optimist when it comes to these things, I fear that this will happen on a regular basis from now on. Je Suis Paris Pray for Brussels

November 23rd, 2015, 08:52 PM	#608
Rick Danger Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the Chill lounge..... Posts: 1,725 Thanks: 6,794 Thanked 31,400 Times in 1,714 Posts	Data encryption dangers and the Windows 10 upgrade If you are running 3rd party file encryption on your Windows 7 or 8 machine and plan on taking the Windows 10 update, you'd better check into this..... -----Original Message----- List: patchmanagement From: Tippit, David [mailtoavid.Tippit@memorialhermann.org] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 6:45 AM To: Patch Management Mailing List Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586 Does anyone else use full disk encryption? It seem that the upgrade wants to remove the encryption software we use before upgrading, which in our case would leave the disk unreadable to the installer. I am still looking into the scenario. But wanted to know if any one well has run in to this? Thanks, ;D -----Original Message----- From: Eric Henson [mailto:ehenson@pfsweb.com] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 8:26 AM To: Patch Management Mailing List <patchmanagement@listserv.patchmanagement.org> Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586 I suggest you decrypt your drive (and remove all AV) prior to upgrading. -----Original Message----- From: Tippit, David [mailtoavid.Tippit@memorialhermann.org] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:39 AM To: Patch Management Mailing List Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586 I was a afraid of that. That will definitely put a bugger in our plans to move our enterprise to Windows 10. I can do that with my test bed, but; when it comes time to update 10K+ devices that will be a logistical nightmare. Thanks for the Suggestion ;D Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586 From: Daniel Ratliff <dratliff () humana ! com> Date: 2015-11-23 15:54:28 Message-ID: 00354A0106E33E498DDE854C5D94176A4B7F7D16 () SIMMBXWPG07S02 ! rsc ! humad ! com Your solution would be a computer refresh. Anyone with 3rd party encryption is in this boat. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=vs.85).aspx Daniel Ratliff Je Suis Paris Pray for Brussels

November 25th, 2015, 05:02 AM	#609
DTravel Lean Mean Screencap Machine Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Better you don't know. Posts: 23,886 Thanks: 10,484 Thanked 207,742 Times in 23,796 Posts	I think a big part of Microsoft's problem is that they are trying to sell "The Microsoft Experience", forcing everyone into a Microsoft mold, instead of selling an operating system that will let users install and run the software that they need and want as individuals. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I rage and weep for my country. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I can reup screencaps, other material might have been lost.

November 23rd, 2015, 12:59 PM	#603
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November 27th, 2015, 02:26 AM	#610
utley Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: WV Posts: 434 Thanks: 2,121 Thanked 11,314 Times in 452 Posts	Going to give my first 24 hour experience with Windows X. Honestly do not see what peoples problem is with this operating system, really. Its a step in between Windows 7 and 8; its both annoying and satisfying at the same time. Searching for your applications in the start menu is now a huge pain in the ass until you find out that its almost identical to what it used to be. They just renamed everything. Control Panel is now "settings". Its easier to run your programs by tying it in the search windows pane on the taskbar now. My computer process usage is virtually the same as it was before. My only concern right now is that my SLI setup seems to run a bit hotter in WinX than it did in Win7. If you use Ccleaner or any other tune up utility out there on the market (I use AVG PC Tuneup, been using them for over 10 years now...), you can modify which programs load on startup. Right now, just starting to hate Cortana, but only because Im not lazy and it expects me to be lazy. Gonna find a way to disable that crap...edit- was waaay easier than I thought. Just didnt sign onto a Microsoft account and turned Cortana off in its settings. Cortana off, Microsoft doesnt get any info from me, my privacy is set. So I just found out that its Cortana sending all the personal info to Microsoft. If you want to avert that, just dont use your microsoft login ID (which it will ask you for when you install Windows X), and just turn the thing off when you get to your desktop. Stupid EASY fix. Got Windows 7 gadgets installed again, that was pretty simple. All of my privacy settings seem normal and this system has some pretty neat features too. Heck, there is a network monitor that Ive never seen in any previous Windows O/S before other than a 3rd party app. Ive always had a rough start on new operating systems, and Windows X has been pretty rough for me to start with from the get-go...only way for me to do it was to just buy the operating system. Other than that, Ive no beef with it. Its doing its job. And in case some of you are wondering...I do know my way around a computer. __________________ If I have broken links from imagebam, be advised I do not intend to reup; report the post and delete. Thanks in advance. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by utley; November 27th, 2015 at 02:35 AM..