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**victor meldrew** · October 10th, 2016, 04:38 PM

Rumour has it that Rooney will line up along side Southgate to answer questions on how he feels about being left out. Southgate was quoted as saying Shrek still has a future with England and would continue to play for his country with pride.

The amount of people within the footballing world who have condemned the booing of our captain would show that he has the support of his peers.
So it would be fair to say retirement is still post 2018 World Cup Finals.

**snowy25** · October 10th, 2016, 05:04 PM

As I have said before, love him or hate him we cannot deny his achievements for his country. The problem for him, like Beckham to use his name again, is that they count for nothing when people remember you for playing after your best. For all the good he did people remember Beckham for being sent off, jumping the tackle at WC 2002 and getting more caps than he should have. Rooney's record will stand but in 20 years people will, in my opinion, remember him going missing at big tournaments and playing badly whilst winding down his England career.

**footstep** · October 10th, 2016, 06:14 PM

Netherlands tonight.
Even if they have a new generation , Dutch boys are always dangerous.

**snowy25** · October 10th, 2016, 06:23 PM

Its a tough group that one. France, Holland and Sweden all fighting it out to finish top and qualify automatically. No one really wants to finish second because you never know who you will get in the play offs. It also means one of the three won't make it at all and that is a loss to the competition. Not necessarily in terms of the football but all 3 have very vocal and enthusiastic fans which would be missed. I think many neutrals are hoping on the fan basis that Iceland also get there. They had one of the best set of fans at the Euros.

Good luck to the French tonight as it will be a tough game. Holland are not the side they were but they can still beat anyone on their day. A massive game tonight that will inch one team a little closer to the WC.

**Meini Again** · October 10th, 2016, 09:14 PM

Netherlands 0
France 1

**snowy25** · October 10th, 2016, 09:19 PM

I see Benteke has scored quickest-ever goal in a World Cup qualifier after just 6 or 7 seconds depending on the news report.

**gordian_knot** · October 10th, 2016, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowy25

As I have said before, love him or hate him we cannot deny his achievements for his country. The problem for him, like Beckham to use his name again, is that they count for nothing when people remember you for playing after your best. For all the good he did people remember Beckham for being sent off, jumping the tackle at WC 2002 and getting more caps than he should have. Rooney's record will stand but in 20 years people will, in my opinion, remember him going missing at big tournaments and playing badly whilst winding down his England career.

Beckham devalued the caps record by playing on simply to get that record. Who had the record before him? Who had the goals scored record before Rooney? People don't remember those things. They remember Bobby Moore lifting the World Cup in 1966. Or even Chris Waddle coming within an inch of shooting us to the World Cup Final in 1990. I couldn't care less how many caps Rooney has or how many goals he's scored. As an international footballer he's been a failure because the only criteria is (or should be) what you do in tournaments. By that criteria he's way down the list of England's best players.

**snowy25** · October 10th, 2016, 10:36 PM

I agree. When it comes to judging someone on their international standing its based solely on finals. Friendlies and qualifying to me do not count as often its against poor sides. In finals you often come up against the best of the worst and of course the best of the best. That to me is where players are weighed and measured against their peers. Rooney, like the majority of the England side since 1990 or maybe 96, fall down at that point. When they should be shining they vanish and melt into the background. Brazilian Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Pirlo and others are viewed as successful because they performed on the biggest stage. Even if they had not won the WC, they would still be viewed as great because they delivered the goods when it counted.

Rooney may have the stats to say this or that but as you say he is well down the list of best England players. I suspect he would struggle to be in the top 20 on actual tournament play.

**footstep** · October 11th, 2016, 06:07 PM

0 1 good score fr Deschamps' boys.

Southgate 2nd one. I guess England will be more confident with their football tonight.

ginny76 · October 11th, 2016, 06:18 PM

Allardyce, played one, won one, 100% winning record.
Southgate, played one, won one, 100% winning record.
In future the FA should appoint managers for just one game.

I thought playing shit was a requirement for England captains. Bring back Wayne.

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October 10th, 2016, 04:38 PM	#18791
victor meldrew Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: At the bottom of an empty glass Posts: 15,776 Thanks: 531,841 Thanked 179,900 Times in 15,764 Posts	Rumour has it that Rooney will line up along side Southgate to answer questions on how he feels about being left out. Southgate was quoted as saying Shrek still has a future with England and would continue to play for his country with pride. The amount of people within the footballing world who have condemned the booing of our captain would show that he has the support of his peers. So it would be fair to say retirement is still post 2018 World Cup Finals.

October 10th, 2016, 05:04 PM	#18792
snowy25 Vintage Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,274 Thanks: 6,664 Thanked 23,142 Times in 2,260 Posts	As I have said before, love him or hate him we cannot deny his achievements for his country. The problem for him, like Beckham to use his name again, is that they count for nothing when people remember you for playing after your best. For all the good he did people remember Beckham for being sent off, jumping the tackle at WC 2002 and getting more caps than he should have. Rooney's record will stand but in 20 years people will, in my opinion, remember him going missing at big tournaments and playing badly whilst winding down his England career.

October 10th, 2016, 06:14 PM	#18793
footstep Lost luggages? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 7,268 Thanks: 92,097 Thanked 86,760 Times in 7,170 Posts	Netherlands tonight. Even if they have a new generation , Dutch boys are always dangerous.

October 10th, 2016, 06:23 PM	#18794
snowy25 Vintage Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,274 Thanks: 6,664 Thanked 23,142 Times in 2,260 Posts	Its a tough group that one. France, Holland and Sweden all fighting it out to finish top and qualify automatically. No one really wants to finish second because you never know who you will get in the play offs. It also means one of the three won't make it at all and that is a loss to the competition. Not necessarily in terms of the football but all 3 have very vocal and enthusiastic fans which would be missed. I think many neutrals are hoping on the fan basis that Iceland also get there. They had one of the best set of fans at the Euros. Good luck to the French tonight as it will be a tough game. Holland are not the side they were but they can still beat anyone on their day. A massive game tonight that will inch one team a little closer to the WC.

October 10th, 2016, 09:14 PM	#18795
Meini Again Vintage Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: North Wales Posts: 3,637 Thanks: 32,358 Thanked 31,826 Times in 3,566 Posts	Netherlands 0 France 1

October 10th, 2016, 09:19 PM	#18796
snowy25 Vintage Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,274 Thanks: 6,664 Thanked 23,142 Times in 2,260 Posts	I see Benteke has scored quickest-ever goal in a World Cup qualifier after just 6 or 7 seconds depending on the news report.

October 10th, 2016, 10:36 PM	#18798
snowy25 Vintage Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,274 Thanks: 6,664 Thanked 23,142 Times in 2,260 Posts	I agree. When it comes to judging someone on their international standing its based solely on finals. Friendlies and qualifying to me do not count as often its against poor sides. In finals you often come up against the best of the worst and of course the best of the best. That to me is where players are weighed and measured against their peers. Rooney, like the majority of the England side since 1990 or maybe 96, fall down at that point. When they should be shining they vanish and melt into the background. Brazilian Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Pirlo and others are viewed as successful because they performed on the biggest stage. Even if they had not won the WC, they would still be viewed as great because they delivered the goods when it counted. Rooney may have the stats to say this or that but as you say he is well down the list of best England players. I suspect he would struggle to be in the top 20 on actual tournament play.

October 11th, 2016, 06:07 PM	#18799
footstep Lost luggages? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 7,268 Thanks: 92,097 Thanked 86,760 Times in 7,170 Posts	0 1 good score fr Deschamps' boys. Southgate 2nd one. I guess England will be more confident with their football tonight.

October 11th, 2016, 06:18 PM	#18800
ginny76 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 481 Thanks: 429 Thanked 4,565 Times in 477 Posts	Allardyce, played one, won one, 100% winning record. Southgate, played one, won one, 100% winning record. In future the FA should appoint managers for just one game. I thought playing shit was a requirement for England captains. Bring back Wayne.