Is Jimmy Hoffa close to being found? Hoffa vs Kennedy's vs Mob

[Baxter49]

Some old stuff long ago, boring to many, not for me.

Between the hunt for Hoffa heating up again with New Jersey and now Georgia via FBI, plus the Isishman being what Dan Modea called Oilver Stone's JFK (total fiction) but great cinema (he confronted Deniro not in a friendly way) about false story of his character who DNA confirmed it was not Hoffa's blood in the house he claimed to kill him at.

Still it's getting interesting.

One republican wants all documents declassified and unredacted.

Always found it fascinating the Kennedy's got the money, fame, women and political futures (back to Roosevelt) from a mobbed up guy like Joseph Kennedy, but the two sons acted like they were above Hoffa, who was a self-made man aka got people to riot, got teamster officials to hurt and brutalize people but hired outside mob help for murder, to make his career after he helped setup Dave Beck as vice president, which meant they owned him, but ultimately when he went to jail Frank Fitzsimmons was such a puppet for the mob, they wanted him to stay in charge, and when Hoffa got out of jail he was barred from the union, and the mob killed him when he threatened to take them on in the media because he wanted his job back as president, and clean up the mob from the union which made him and the loans for the mob which helped create a big part of Vegas.

Nixon's guys wanted Hoffa gone via Charles Colson, who also owned Fitzsimmons, because he wanted teamster support in 1972.

Hoffa was paid 1.7 million in 1975 to go away and retire quietly, but clearly did not want to go or retire, naively not seeing he had no muscle or no way to protect himself, and frankly should have been the first to see his demise coming unless he made up with the mob and went away for good.

What's funny is everyone involved got away with it, his son got control of a different kind of teamsters today, and the hunt for Jimmy Hoffa has produced so many leads but no paydirt for a guy they could have cremated and been gone forever, but seemed to bury somewhere.

I do think Fox News Eric Shawn (I know Fox News) but have not played politics on this via Moscato family dump did put Hoffa in the barrel and it was moved to under the Polaski sky-way before the Superfund cleanup in 1980's which took 1000 barrels out of the ground, but was moved to a tiny arena not part of the cleanup and reburied.

Frank Cappola died, he told his son where he buried him on his death bed, who died four months after his interview on Fox, and said 99.9 percent he's still at that site in New Jersey.

The ground penetrating radar did identify barrels in a 200x200 arena section, but so far they can't get government to go in and dig at the waste disposal site which did allow the dumpsters to be moved so they could look under ground.

The Savannah GA story is brand new as in 2021 he's buried on a golf course, and people urinate at the site.

I think we are going to hit the end of the trail one way or another in 2021 or 2022, and if I had to bet would be he's in those barrels in New Jersey.

Of course the public would be the last to know if they found him.

Liked all the movies, Irishman was kind of odd but great cinema. Did the mob really side with JFK to get Castro out of Cuba over Nixon while Hoffa wanted Nixon because he hated the Kennedy's?

Hoffa with Jack Nicholson was excellent but there was no Danny Devito character and the fiction of the roadhouse assassination of both of them instead of the real location left it flat.

My favorite was the TV movie Blood Feud with Robert Blake who's was his usual over the top best with best Hoffa portrayal for me, and a nice cast of excellent actors but for some reason Danny Aiello was given a fictional #2 name, while they used Brian Dennehy as Edward Grady Pardin, never a bad day to see Ernest Borgnine play Hoover, and a brand new actor named Cotter Smith was such a boy scout as RFK he pulled it off great.

[Estreeter]

Might be of interest
Michael Franzese take on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_HKn2pebMw

[Baxter49]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Might be of interest
Michael Franzese take on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_HKn2pebMw

He was in the Trump dynasty documentary also, nice living to be a former mob guy and be in so many of these things, there is a cottage industry of money to be made.

Does seem like the last stand for Hoffa to be found because the generation that killed him to the next generation passing down the stories seems to be dwindling fast, and pardon the pun the fish stories are getting stale.

Frank Sheeran took everyone by making a false confession and his second book plus the movie made a pile of money and brought attention to his first book. Deniro, Pesci, Pacino all got in on making money acting again.

Amazing how his son was elected president after it was so clear the father was a criminal, but the teamsters of back then vs now is two different worlds. I guess a little like how it seems today's mob has dwindled because you can't win vs today's technology seeing or hearing everything.

[Baxter49]

Just found this, not counting Georgia there are three other locations, including one in Canada.

The most infamous unsolved murder case in American history could soon be closed. RadarOnline.com has learned that no less than three separate teams of investigators have scheduled excavation digs for summer 2021 – all in the hopes of finding Jimmy Hoffa’s missing corpse.

https://radaronline.com/p/jimmy-hoff...se-body-found/


1. PJP Landfill via Frank Cappola, who said Hoffa had “marked” with a series of metal bars on top of the steel drum containing Hoffa’s body. Moldea captured the moment on his iPhone. Moldea’s team eventually used ground-penetrating radar to confirm that there were indeed metal bars beneath the ground at that site. He took no money from Fox News before his death in March 2020 and signed an affidavit.

2. Phillip Moscato, Jr., also spoke to Moldea about what he claimed to know regarding the whereabouts of Hoffa’s remains. Like Cappola, Moscato Jr. claimed his dad gave him the specifics on the Hoffa burial. Unlike Cappola, Moscato, Jr. refused to take Moldea to where he believed the body was buried. He also refused to take a polygraph test. Making things even more complicated, he claimed that Hoffa’s body is in an entirely different spot.

According to Moscato Jr., the body was removed from its original burial site at PJP Landfill and taken to its final resting place near a riverbed in Carlstadt, New Jersey. Beyond that, he wouldn’t give specifics.

Now, sources tell Radar, Moscato Jr. has signed a deal with a prolific Hollywood production house to tell his story and go find Hoffa’s remains with a camera crew in tow. In fact, the producers of the show have already been in contact with law enforcement in New Jersey and Michigan regarding a dig, the insiders said.

3. According to an insider, Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Ontario, Canada, believe that Hoffa might have been buried in a park that is a short drive from Detroit.

The Canadian angle is being explored by an accomplished documentarian who has teamed up with a retired Detroit newsman for a docuseries about the search for Hoffa’s body. Sources familiar with the project claim that their series involves a crooked lawman in Michigan helping Detroit mobster Anthony “Tony Pal” Palazzolo bury Hoffa’s body in Canada.

Both the bad cop and Tony Pal died in recent years, but a source told Radar that the cop confessed to his daughter on his deathbed, writing down the location of Hoffa’s body on a matchbook in his final hours. The daughter then gave the info to the reporter, who has since been to the site with the documentary filmmaker in tow.

So far, they’ve found what they were looking for.

Ground-penetrating radar has confirmed a “disturbing of the earth” at the site in Ontario, a source told Radar. Further digging is due to take place this summer.

At the same time, the FBI now believes that Palazzolo was the triggerman in the Hoffa hit, sources familiar with the investigation told Radar. “Tony Pal,” a colorful and capable Detroit mob figure sometimes called “The Butterfly,” for his elusive nature, died of stomach cancer in the winter of 2019 at age 76. At the time of his death, the FBI and federal prosecutors on the still-active Hoffa task force were circling him as a target, hoping to finally be able to bring charges in the case.

[Baxter49]

I would guess a body in a barrel, that likely rusted out does not help in protecting someone who never had their blood drained after they died. Hoffa if found he likely is not in good condition beyond his fatal shooting if shot.

[scoundrel]

If Jimmy Hoffa ever does turn up, it will be by random accident. He was well concealed or else he would have been found at the time. The chances are that he was disposed of in a way which ensures permanent disappearance - for example, there is plenty of deep water near Detroit.

He might still turn up. I remember one case in my childhood village where a man walking his new dog found human remains when his dog dug up a badger set in woods near his house. It was a three year old boy and eventually the boy's father, who had changed his name, was traced and convicted of the murder. The dead boy had gone undiscovered from 1962 to 1989 - but in the end the past came home to roost. So it could happen.

Most likely it won't happen though.

[Baxter49]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

If Jimmy Hoffa ever does turn up, it will be by random accident. He was well concealed or else he would have been found at the time. The chances are that he was disposed of in a way which ensures permanent disappearance - for example, there is plenty of deep water near Detroit.

He might still turn up. I remember one case in my childhood village where a man walking his new dog found human remains when his dog dug up a badger set in woods near his house. It was a three year old boy and eventually the boy's father, who had changed his name, was traced and convicted of the murder. The dead boy had gone undiscovered from 1962 to 1989 - but in the end the past came home to roost. So it could happen.

Most likely it won't happen though.

Thing about Hoffa is all signs point to Tony Provenzano who he had a fight with in jail and a second fight after he was released but wanted Hoffa to be a trophy of sorts so he was shipped to Moscato's dump in NJ, but at some point when the feds were getting close, they were scared of it being found and someone supposedly moved it, either Moscato who may have taken it a few miles away or Frank Cappola's claim it was placed outside the superfund cleanup area under the Polaski sky-way which is what Fox scanned.

Who knows? If there is money to be made people are going to push their theories to make it.

I do think he's out there. Would it have made sense to chop him up or burn him into oblivion afterwards? Yes, but if they wanted to make a trophy out of him for intimidation to others that makes sense too.

Hoffa was quoted in playboy in 1975 that Fitzsimmons would not have to guts to go after him, and he apparently had no security, he was very naive to challenge the mob and violent teamster factions & threatened to rat them all out when the man had no muscle or security. Nixon was gone by 74 but clearly wanted Hoffa to go away also which is why the condition was put in to bar him from being teamster president.

[Baxter49]

Watching some movies & documentaries on Hoffa and always wondered why LBJ simply did not do Nixon's deal and pardon Hoffa before he went to jail, simply to stick it to RFK who was a bitter enemy and things were far worse by the time RFK decided to run and blamed Johnson who was following what JFK started in Vietman.

Of course by Johnson's last year he was beaten and broken, he flat out gave up on his life upon leaving office, would not have have hurt Humphrey winning WH to get the teamsters in his pocket with Fitzsimmons by making Nixon's deal so he could beat out tricky dick.

Even Hoover likely wanted to stick it to RFK and Ted and getting Hoffa out was a great way to do that, even before he went in to jail and Fitzsimmons became mob's yes man.

Doing some back reading, Joe Kennedy was not the crook many portray him to be but his money bought a lot of influence. I guess his grandfather was the criminal element.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...offa-ally.html
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Ex-Tennessee governor's administration 'helped fund hit on Jimmy Hoffa ally after he turned federal witness over prison pardons scandal' prosecutors finally claim… 42 years after the murder

Prosecutors said Wednesday that a hitman was hired to kill Samuel Pettyjohn
Pettyjohn, a close friend of union boss Jimmy Hoffa, 'knew too much' they said
He was shot after testifying before a federal grand jury in Tennessee's notorious 'cash-for-clemency' scandal, which ultimately ousted Governor Ray Blanton
Prosecutors now say Blanton's administration paid for Pettyjohn to be killed
After 42 years, investigators said that Ed Alley carried out the hit in 1979
Prosecutors said Alley wore a wig and blackface as a disguise for the killing


Sorry about posting this article, it was written up a few times like it was about finding or searching for Hoffa, not someone he knew.

[Baxter49]

I re-watched Riddle on Fox Nation (they don't air it on television) and loved it but do understand a ton of self-promotion of people who frankly want to get paid first and anything else second.

And Eric Shawn does a few hokey things like sneak in a mystery person called "Vito" who sits in his car, and takes him to the Meadowlands Parking lot and stands there on the concrete of the old Giants stadium saying this is where Hoffa is, which is silly because in 1975 Giants Stadium was a huge construction site with pipes under ground, grandstand being built by 7/30/75 likely worst place to hide a body because a ton of work was being done there 24/7 to complete an 80,000 seat stadium, and no doubt when stadium was demolished some digging was done there again and they changed turf there often over the years so ground was dug up often.

Phil Miscardo Jr comes forward and says 200 Atwater Lane driving range, lounge now just an abandoned site, and won't say where exactly because he wants his money.

And honest one seems to be Ralph Picardo's son (died in 2020 and of course did not tell exactly where) who said what his father did when mob panicked and he moved body a short distance under the Pulaski sky-way where they did the GPR and found what appears to be metal barrels but can't dig because it's state land, and off Piscardo dump.

Detroit guys in the last episode (both younger) argued he was burned, grounded up and never left Detroit, while others claimed Hoffa was a trophy for Provenzano/NJ and decided after his 1973 second fight with Hoffa he wanted him dead that day or to kidnap his grandkids.

I'm betting on Picardo's son being right, his father went out there at night with no one knowing and said he stuck Hoffa in barrel head first because he would not fit the other way, and moved him off the area the FBI was looking and before the Superfund cleanup site later or he would have been found for sure.

Again though a lot of money, attention, book sales. The Irishman made money and helped
Sheeran's family make money.

[scoundrel]

I strongly doubt if anyone alive today precisely knows where Jimmy Hoffa sleeps now.

What did it matter where you lay once you were dead? In a dirty sump or in a marble tower on top of a high hill? You were dead, you were sleeping the big sleep, you were not bothered by things like that. Oil and water were the same as wind and air to you. You just slept the big sleep, not caring about the nastiness of how you died or where you fell. Me, I was part of the nastiness now. Far more a part of it than Rusty Regan was. But the old man didn't have to be. He could lie quiet in his canopied bed, with his bloodless hands folded on the sheet, waiting. His heart was a brief, uncertain murmur. His thoughts were as gray as ashes. And in a little while he too, like Rusty Regan, would be sleeping the big sleep.

~ Raymond Chandler - The Big Sleep.