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"we are not physiologically set up to be vegetarians." But... vegetarians are omnivore. Isn't it? They eat animal proteins through eggs and diary products. Vegans and vegetalians are the only ones who don't eat animal proteins. (or try to, because they eat very small animals that their eyes don't see) I would more say that "we are not physiologically set up to be vegans." You are the biochemist. Am I wrong? Even if I try to be as vegan as possible, I don't think that's naturally possible. I agree too that we are monkeys that hunt animals. Baboons and chimpanzees hunt too, but they are more omnivore that mainly eat non-carnal food. And we probably are like them. Our canines are small and not designed like a more carnal-omnivore like the bear. But anyway the facts are there... we are omnivore. In fact according what I read, that's more our digestiv system that defines if we are carnivore, omnivore or herbivore. That's the lenght of the intestines and the stomach(s). But as I wrote, already 12'000 years ago, and maybe even before, some of our ancesters decided to be vegan and they still are there: the Jains. Like bowlingreen wrote more or less and like even nutritionnists believe, do we need to eat meat everyday? Do we need to eat 120 to 60 kg of meat per year (depending the country) when our very near ancesters ate only 5 or 20 kg in the best case? I don't know if it happened in New-Zealand, but here in Europe the mad cows illness proved that our societies abused with the quantity of cattles. And there are several inquiries that proved that in the cattle industry, they still try to give "bone flour" (I don't know the name in English) to the cows... We clearly eat too much meat and we also treat very miserably the animals. |
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July 25th, 2017, 11:58 AM | #142 | |
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Even the vegetarian society of Britain doesn't ask that meat eaters stop eating meat. Just that they eat meat less often. |
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I can't quite join you in your chosen lifestyle xyz, but I do admire your robust advocacy and personal conviction - and your arguments have been restrained and dignified. It's good that we can agree to differ (to varying extents) and still remain civil and generous in our discourse. |
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Recently I've watched a TV debate. There was a vegan mother who said that she went to his pediatrician to see if her child get lack of vitamins and proteins. According to her, her child was in perfect health. But she also explained that she gave her breasts milk and not plant based milk... as it happened in sad stories in which newborn babies died. That's my point of view and only my point of view... vegans would not have to make children. Extremist vegans who want children lie to themselves. Even eating a bio tomato causes the death of an insect. I'm also afraid to read some vegan telling that they get their B12 vitamins from unwashed vegetables, etc... I prefer listening to nutritionists that say that the studies on a real 100% vegan diet are not enough detailed. And a lot of vegans say that they took supplementation, because they are afraid suffering deficiencies. Quote:
Eggs are more easy to be produced ethically. We sadly have to agree that we are a parasite. A probably clever parasite... but a parasite. (By the way, according to biologists, about 72% of the species living on Earth are parasites.) And ethically speaking... killing and eating an old cow who walked all her life in a field and finally suffer from arthosis, that's not vicious. But we kill young and healthy bulls and veals, who were separated from their mothers, who rarely or never saw a field and ate a good bite of grass... Is it ethical? Last edited by Roubignol; July 25th, 2017 at 12:40 PM.. Reason: 72% of the species living on Earth are parasites |
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I heard humans work that way also...
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But we have to be nicer with the animals (and all kind of living creatures) as much as possible and not only speaking. I'm sometimes very perplexed to see that some ancient cultures were less barbaric than ours. I read a lot of books from now dead scientists who were afraid by the way that our societies were (and still are) following. |
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Due to cholesterol bollocks I tried not earing meat for a month. I did not miss the taste too much (apart from bacon) but after thirty days those canine teeth just needed the sensation of tearing flesh apart. We may be evolved but we are animals that have evolved to eat anything.
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Human females also produce eggs that need to be fertilised by a human male cock in order to create baby humans.
Sorry, didn't mean to put words (or eggs or cock) in your mouth for you. The 'carnivore' attitude is anathema to me, I never much liked the taste of meat when I was a kid, and concepts like ordering something to eat that is 'bloody' still make me queasy. But my father and my younger sister are both inveterate carnivores. My dad used to get quite irritated when I was a kid that I looked with distaste on roast dinners and the like. (Tries to avoid thinking of a companion gag about refusing to put my father's meat in my mouth). |
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