The State of American Sports Broadcasting - Page 3

ShutUpLutz! · January 5th, 2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankDobe

Berman, Olberman, Patrick, now Bob Lee have gone beyond commentating and reporter to that of the old Walter Cronkite role of editorial commentator and for sure some of them rub some people the wrong way.
The majority of sports fans certainly do have intelligence issues and you pointed out sports talk radio is where they exhibit their stupidity on a daily basis. For example, "go ahead caller-yeah uhmmm I think the Lakers should trade Lonzo Ball for Anthony Davis." And you're right-the vast majority have NO idea of the financial end. They actually think people sitting in the stadiums and arenas are PAYING the entire salaries of their players ! Look at the Red Sox. Their park holds say 35,000 people and they play 81 games there. Call the tickets 50 bucks a piece. That's just under 142 million. Each visiting team gets a piece of the gate plus the costs of running the park. No, true revenue is derived from TV, and the cycle returns...."hi this is Steve A and Skip Bayless...." ughh

As far as Olbermann, Patrick and other anchor types editorializing/making political statements on sports issues, that's simply where popular culture and society have moved. And Trump has a hell of a lot to do with it as well, with his idiocy about the national anthem.

It's Bob Ley by the way. And speaking, or writing of Ley, he is or was the host of Outside the Lines which is ESPN's signature hard journalism/investigative/editorial arm and he has done a damn good job at it. Ley is also a very very good friend of Olbermann despite being a fair bit more conservative politically. If there is any place at ESPN where it is fair to editorialize it's Outside the Lines. The late now canceled Sports Reporters also served that function. Ley took a leave of absence back in September, which was announced as being about six months long.

OldSchool47 · January 5th, 2019, 06:20 PM

2019 National Championship Game: Time for College Football Playoff final
Game time is set for 8 p.m. ET. Chris Fowler, Kirk Herbstreit, Maria Taylor and Tom Rinaldi will provide TV coverage.

The broadcast team that should be working the game:

Ted Robinson play-by-play.
Dan Dierdorf color.
Craig Kilborn on-the-field.

OldSchool47 · January 5th, 2019, 07:14 PM

Tangential commentary that I think belongs in this thread.

Female ice hockey is absurd. Women don't like playing ice hockey. Ask em'. Curling should be the ice sport in American high schools and universities that females participate in. Women love curling. Ask 'em. Baseball/softball, hockey/curling.

Is it asking too much to name the Grandstand court after John McEnroe? He grew up 15 minutes away from the court and won 4 U.S. Opens. I understand that he is not an accredited minority (Black, Hispanic, female, or gay), but can't we make an exception on this one. Purrty please with sugar on top.

**FrankDobe** · January 5th, 2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutUpLutz!

It's Bob Ley by the way. And speaking, or writing of Ley, he is or was the host of Outside the Lines which is ESPN's signature hard journalism/investigative/editorial arm and he has done a damn good job at it. Ley is also a very very good friend of Olbermann despite being a fair bit more conservative politically. If there is any place at ESPN where it is fair to editorialize it's Outside the Lines. The late now canceled Sports Reporters also served that function. Ley took a leave of absence back in September, which was announced as being about six months long.

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Ley, thanks for fixing my error. And yes he is very good at what he does.
Wish they would bring back sports reporters; trouble is, instead of having Albom, Lupica, and Ryan they would probably have Bayless, SA Smith, and other lesser talents.

**FrankDobe** · January 5th, 2019, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool47

2019 National Championship Game: Time for College Football Playoff final
Game time is set for 8 p.m. ET. Chris Fowler, Kirk Herbstreit, Maria Taylor and Tom Rinaldi will provide TV coverage.

The broadcast team that should be working the game:

Ted Robinson play-by-play.
Dan Dierdorf color.
Craig Kilborn on-the-field.

Can't speak about Robinson. Kilborn is a fine choice. Dierdorf's lisping and reminding everyone HE played in the NFL every five minutes would grow tedious. Give Troy Aikman a shot doing color.

**FrankDobe** · January 5th, 2019, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool47

Tangential commentary that I think belongs in this thread.

Female ice hockey is absurd. Women don't like playing ice hockey. Ask em'. Curling should be the ice sport in American high schools and universities that females participate in. Women love curling. Ask 'em. Baseball/softball, hockey/curling.

Is it asking too much to name the Grandstand court after John McEnroe? He grew up 15 minutes away from the court and won 4 U.S. Opens. I understand that he is not an accredited minority (Black, Hispanic, female, or gay), but can't we make an exception on this one. Purrty please with sugar on top.

Not sure about your first premise though I do agree they prefer softball over baseball which are at least closely related. 100 % agree on McEnroe suggestion. I don't think gender/color will be the reason given for this NOT happening. More likely, the powers that be will discuss his "conduct" toward umpires. Sadly, men's tennis, especially here in the USA, has been devoid of personalities such as Connors and McEnroe.

ShutUpLutz! · January 5th, 2019, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankDobe

Not sure about your first premise though I do agree they prefer softball over baseball which are at least closely related. 100 % agree on McEnroe suggestion. I don't think gender/color will be the reason given for this NOT happening. More likely, the powers that be will discuss his "conduct" toward umpires. Sadly, men's tennis, especially here in the USA, has been devoid of personalities such as Connors and McEnroe.

Here's the thing. I don't pay halfway decent money to attend a tennis tournament held at the height of summer, which means temperatures in the 90's with high humidity and instead of watching people play tennis I g=have to sit there and watch a grown man act like a whiny, entitled petulant 9 year old brat throwing a temper tantrum for 15 minutes because he's not getting ice cream because he refuses to take two bites of spinach.

Fuck that and fuck him.

The same thing applies to managers arguing calls at baseball games. The games are already unsufferably long, and you're extending it another 20 minutes arguing over whether one of the bullshit 'unwritten rules' was broken?

Go suck the Phantic's dick.

**FrankDobe** · January 5th, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutUpLutz!

The same thing applies to managers arguing calls at baseball games. The games are already unsufferably long, and you're extending it another 20 minutes arguing over whether one of the bullshit 'unwritten rules' was broken?

the lords of baseball have tried to remove arguing from the game with their version of replay/challenging calls. some say the way to speed up the game is with a pitch clock. watch classic old baseball footage-the batter almost never got out of the batter's box and the pitcher almost never shook off his catcher's signs. sometimes the fix is simple and obvious.

rarej · January 6th, 2019, 01:58 AM

My step-grandmother was a hockey goaltender for a long time (like twenty years), so I know at least one who did like ice hockey a little bit.

I think even beyond his actions or who he was, any large corporation or business has more money than the McEnroe estate and would rather their name be up there. Look at little ceasars arena. We're not exactly in the business of honoring sports legends anymore. Money tends to get in the way, as it does with all things.

I'm always hesitant about baseball. It might be nice to speed the game up but I always find it relaxing at its set pace. I like it as a balance to other stick and ball games.

Again, back when ABC cared about motorsports, Jim McKay and Stewart were a great combo.

ShutUpLutz! · January 6th, 2019, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankDobe

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Ley, thanks for fixing my error. And yes he is very good at what he does.
Wish they would bring back sports reporters; trouble is, instead of having Albom, Lupica, and Ryan they would probably have Bayless, SA Smith, and other lesser talents.

Actually it was Lupica who killed off The Sports Reporters. After he took over as host the ratings nose dived, which given what a dick Lupica is shouldn't have been a surprise. Lupica is interesting in that he's that annoying nerd/twit/twerp who got the shit beaten out of him for his twerpitude in high school who despite remaining a twerp his entire life, when he became moderately successful braying out STRONG SPORTS HOT TAKES in the NY Daily News turned into one of the most insufferable bullies you can possibly imagine. It was guaranteed that if it was a big sporting event (Super Bowl, NCAA Tournament) and Lupica was 'covering it'

he would show up and bitch and whine and crybaby about his seat assignment and then bully a newer reporter out of their seat. In later years he took to showing up early and switching around the credentials on seats and had one reporter thrown out when the dude caught him.

As for Mitch Albom, this story should tell you all you need to know about his smug smarmy sack of stinky dicks. He was on the Sports Reporters along with Dan Lebatard who is known in the reporting business for being a contrarian. this was back when Barry Bonds was closing in on one of the home run records and so of course the discussion was about how Bonds was an uppity filthy cheater blah, blah blah because STEROIDS.

Lebatard said, Well if you're going to go there then Kirk Gibson's walkoff home run in game 1 of the 1988 World Series shouldn't count either because he was on steroids, in fact he needed both cortisone and steroid injections just to be able to walk up to the plate and in that case both of those were PED's right?

Albom said, "Come on, don't do that. Don't do that. We're talking about one of the most iconic moments in the entire history of sports and you're accusing one of the greatest baseball players of his era of cheating. C'mon, we don't need that."

I doubt it was a coincidence their reactions and comments were based at least somewhat on the fact that Bonds is black and Gibson is white.

January 5th, 2019, 06:20 PM	#22
OldSchool47 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 306 Thanks: 129 Thanked 3,044 Times in 299 Posts	2019 National Championship Game: Time for College Football Playoff final Game time is set for 8 p.m. ET. Chris Fowler, Kirk Herbstreit, Maria Taylor and Tom Rinaldi will provide TV coverage. The broadcast team that should be working the game: Ted Robinson play-by-play. Dan Dierdorf color. Craig Kilborn on-the-field.

January 5th, 2019, 07:14 PM	#23
OldSchool47 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 306 Thanks: 129 Thanked 3,044 Times in 299 Posts	Tangential commentary that I think belongs in this thread. Female ice hockey is absurd. Women don't like playing ice hockey. Ask em'. Curling should be the ice sport in American high schools and universities that females participate in. Women love curling. Ask 'em. Baseball/softball, hockey/curling. Is it asking too much to name the Grandstand court after John McEnroe? He grew up 15 minutes away from the court and won 4 U.S. Opens. I understand that he is not an accredited minority (Black, Hispanic, female, or gay), but can't we make an exception on this one. Purrty please with sugar on top.

January 6th, 2019, 01:58 AM	#29
rarej Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 6 Thanks: 688 Thanked 61 Times in 6 Posts	My step-grandmother was a hockey goaltender for a long time (like twenty years), so I know at least one who did like ice hockey a little bit. I think even beyond his actions or who he was, any large corporation or business has more money than the McEnroe estate and would rather their name be up there. Look at little ceasars arena. We're not exactly in the business of honoring sports legends anymore. Money tends to get in the way, as it does with all things. I'm always hesitant about baseball. It might be nice to speed the game up but I always find it relaxing at its set pace. I like it as a balance to other stick and ball games. Again, back when ABC cared about motorsports, Jim McKay and Stewart were a great combo.