The new "tolerant" extreme left

[Roubignol]

Listening quite a lot of recent extreme-right French speeches, it's surprising to observe that the extreme-rights leaders changed their gun of shoulder.

Now they speak about "the marvelous ethnic human diversity" and want to preserve it.
But in fact in the past, they were always denigrating the other human diversities.
For sure they want to get a diversity to dominate the other ethnical groups like in the past.
Now they speak about social society and economy, but they never speak about that they still want to protect greed and capital.
Now a lot of workers are going from the left to the right, mistyfied by the recent extreme-right "double speech".

Aren't they vicious people?

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Again this was the goal of the event. The problem is the dishonest way the whole situation was presented.

The TV presenter on the second video, doen't look ethical at all. He's an opinion maker.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by savage560

E. Europe seems to be the only region that acknowledges this fact.

You never was in E. Europe to speak like that.
They get the worst European criminals there.
Their criminality is surely worse than in North Africa.

Drugs dealers often come from Serbia, Albania.
Prostitutes networks come from Bulgaria, Hungaria, Rumania.

The way you look at their culture is totally biaised.
They have the same problems as in all the countries in the world, maybe a little bit worse.

[BondJmsBond]

Originally Posted by savage560

Immigrants that we cannot afford to pay for in the present, let alone the future.

There you have it, thank you savage. We can't afford to provide medical care to our own Veterans, people who have served our country.
While they die awaiting treatment we annually spend $113 billion on illegal immigration alone as of 2013, I'm certain this cost has not gone down since. This is spent on those who by definition don't care about our laws.
The budget for the VA is $186billion, add that $113 billion to it and we just might get a viable VA.

Meanwhile the homeless and mentally ill are in our streets because we can't afford care and housing for them either. I could go on and on.

Meanwhile we indulge in the lunacy of deficit spending, adding to the $20 trillion of our national debt. This is unsustainable and that 113bn would sure help that too.

We simply cannot afford illegal and/or mass immigration by those we will have to support.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by savage560

Among Hispanic immigrants,in the US, legal or illegal , this "dependency" rises to about 90% of those with these who have children are on public assistance. & the second & third generations fair only little better.

Being that today that government assistance programs have become a government subsidized wage suppression program thanks to Bill Clinton I don't see their use of the programs as a reflection on them or most of the other recipients for they are some of the hardest working people trapped in a rigged system.

Originally Posted by savage560

When most European immigrants came to the US, during to so called "Golden Age" of immigration, there was no massive welfare programs for them, & they came, survived & thrived. Many believe this nation should repeal the Hart-Cellar immigration act, & prevent those who come here to be a tax payers burden ,at least until they work here for a decade, if they work, to pay into the system they take from.

You mean the 5 years they have to wait now thanks to Bill Clinton is not long enough? And another thing if such a high percentage of them is getting assistance that probably means they have been here for some time and they are not just flooding across the border like some like to say and that is even accounting for those who have children.

Originally Posted by savage560

Again its the "tolerant left" that does not look at common sense & data that reveals these facts, & only wants to make guilt for those in the west, into somehow unjustly shaming them into thinking that they must overload their nations with immigrants from Islamic nations in Europe . Or both illegal immigrants & exclusively Muslim immigrants from the ME , coming into the US. Immigrants that we cannot afford to pay for in the present, let alone the future.

Well we cannot afford to round the undocumented up and detain them at taxpayer expense. We had enough of that during the drug war. They claim to be protecting the American worker but if my suspicions are correct they will some of the biggest victims.

https://youtu.be/95s5bTKYl5I
https://youtu.be/qJ20tIYirKg

[pudpuller]

Not read all of the thread so please tell me if I am speaking out of turn. We have a similar problem in the UK, thankfully they are not in power but with the soppy tart in charge at the moment, I fear the time is fast approaching. Corbyn, in power, wants to borrow £500 billions to build 100,000 fewer homes each year than the housing requirement. A man that campaigned to remain in the EU but spent his whole political career railing against what was the EEC before morphing into the corrupt, cesspit caled the EU. Aligned himself to most of the terrorist organisations around the world, want to feed and educate the world and its mother before any consideration of, dare I say, the indiginous population living here today.
Sorry, rant over, going to bed.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by savage560

Wrong again, I DO have relatives still there my man.& I do speak with them! & I DO have friends here that are from Hungary, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Russia, & Romania. I find for the most part they are educated people who probably know much more about the current world, history & even your nation than you do!

You live in your ultra-nationalist dream. You are totally blind. Facts are here:

Delinquency: The explosion of burglaries is linked to networks in Eastern Europe

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/delinquance-l-explosion-des-cambriolages-est-liee-a-des-reseaux-de-l-est-de-l-europe_1316744.html

Homicides rate:

The worst countries: Russia, Georgia, Ukrainia, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Albania....

http://lodel.irevues.inist.fr/crimpr...&titlepos=down

Depending the countries, the rate is sometimes 6 to 10 times worse than in France or in UK.
Their mafias kill people in their own countries and send criminals all over W. Europe to steal people.

What a nice culture!!!!

I don't speak about prostitution or illegal sales of guns coming from E. Europe.

https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/fedpol/d...011-06-23.html

Der Menschenhandel aus Osteuropa hat sich im Berichtsjahr in der Schweiz weiter ausgebreitet.

"Trafficking in human beings from Eastern Europe continued to expand during the year under review."

Look at your E. European culture!

Bloody stupid hooligans disturbing people when they want to look at a football game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8J49nsrfis

There are tons of videos like that on youtube.

Just to show you that in E. Europe they also get their scums.

And I've got good educated E. European co-workers, like Arabs ones!

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by savage560

You don't have to "round up" any. Just you must realize that if you don't give them any aid, no free drivers licenses , no schooling for their children, not even if their kids are born here, etc. & enforce E verify to the letter, so illegals can't be hired, you can solve much of the problem by that. & not do what you said you do, are in fear of them so you agree with them, mostly out of fear of these mostly cretins.

You could try to do all of that and they still would come. They are not coming for the "freebies" they are coming to work and overall survival. Thanks to the drug war over here Mexico has got a murder rate that is second only to Syria. That is not to mention the other Central American countries we have aided in installing governments to our liking and the upheaval that has caused. The biggest freebie America has to offer is survivial.

Originally Posted by savage560

Tax their remittances to their nations, & pay for our peoples HC by that revenue, its in the mega billions.

They work for their money just like you work for yours, probably more so cause immigrants tend to get exploited more than the native population so unless you are willing to pay more taxes why ask them to pay more?

Originally Posted by savage560

We must get the USSC to interpret the 14th better & the declare that the baby dumping here is not a path for citizenship.

If there wasn't case law concerning this issue preceeding the 14th Ammendment I would agree with you.

Originally Posted by savage560

Ahh hmmm, you state that immigrants have to wait for welfare because of Clinton, your data is wrong!

Read this

A lesser known provision of PRWORA made immigrants entering the United States ineligible for federal welfare funds for five years after arriving in the United States. In light of the restrictions to federal funding under the law, states were allowed to grant aid out of their own funds to address the welfare needs of immigrants.

Funny you can bring up the 50+ year old Hart-Cellar Act at a drop of a hat yet know nothing about the almost 21 year old Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act signed into law by Bill Clinton. Seems like your sources like to cherry pick data.

[seany65]

diamelsx, I'm a little confused, so let me ask a few questions:

1) This 'day of absence', originally was the non-whites leaving the campus and talking about racism, yes?

2) I presume they talked to each other, yes?

3) Did they talk to white people and if so, why did they not talk to the white people on campus?

4) The non-whites chose, of their own accord, to go off campus, no-one made them leave, yes?

5) They did this for 40 years, yes?

6) This year, for some unknown reason, in order to discuss racism and race relations, the non-whites used threats etc. to force the whites to go off campus so that the non-whites could talk about racism and race relations, yes?

7) Can the non-whites see that doing this acutally harms race relations?

8) If the non-whites throughout the 40 years and this year did not speak to the whites, doesn't that mean they think the whites have nothing to contribute to the conversation, either because they are all considered racist or too ignorant to have any opinion worth listening to?

9) Isn't trying to force all people of one race to do a thing simply because of their race, racially discriminatory behaviour?

10) Would you not consider this racist if the whites tried to force the non-whites to leave?

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by savage560

OK! I or should I say some of us here & a whole load of people disagree with your ultra liberal conclusions here.& even more in this nation, that's why your candidate lost her bid for US prez, because she wanted illegal & legal immigration on steroids.

Hillary loss cause she ran a bad strategy and she could not garmer enough support to win. The right is using immigration to sucker you into supporting the right represents mangement/ownership and they love cheap labor too much to really hate immigration

Originally Posted by savage560

The fact you ignore & its very well documented, is that well over 50% of current immigrants in this nation are on welfare, links were given to affirm this stat, its even more in those who have children & one source was by the liberal USA Today that affirmed this fact! & YES its true that 90% of Hispanic immigrants with families are on WELFARE!

You may love to repeat yourself over and over but I sort of find the practice a waste of time so I am just going to refer you to my previous post on the USA TODAY article and CIS data in general and why you need to take what they say with a grain of salt.

Originally Posted by savage560

So yes many of them (how the hell would you know, unless you are one of them?) DO come for the freebees they wouldn't get in Mexico or C. America, that fact of this by the data makes this quite evident.

Funny your does not mention the wars or the murder rates high enough to rival Syria. Naw it's the freebies they are after, forget the prospect of certain death them food stamps just be calling me

Originally Posted by savage560

& I don't give a damn what "Act" was passed because there are countless acts by Congress that are ignored, like border security! The proof is in the pudin', & some will just never accept the truth, especially the ultra tolerant libs, who are very useful ***** to the Plutocrats of the NWO, who want to tear down borders.

border security ignored? I wish I have my pay rate tied to the rate the border patrol gets budget increases. I would have no probless if that was the case. Border security gets more than the attention it deserves.

Originally Posted by savage560

But in grass roots America hell yes! & this job stealing doesn't EVEN touch the problems of how illegal aliens are clogging up our E-Rooms, if you were at one, you'd have seen the numerous problems in that regards. From interpreters ,to going there to taking care of their simple needs like colds are addressed in the E-Rooms. Even WITH HC insurance I can't afford to go to the doctor for even a bad flu. But why should illegals care when they go to E-Rooms for anything & everything? Numerous medical personnel I know ,says none of them pay for those services, & most give the same address for billing , hundreds of them!! & yes some illegal can get operations costing tens of thousands of dollars & one male nurse told me he witness one get an operation for a half million dollars!I was told by quite a few medical field techs & staff , that in TX , IN , IL to just name a few states I know its happening in & witnessed it, that's why State/City/County supported hospitals are going belly up & turning private in those areas, but you will of course ignore that fact because you are afraid of them who are taking advantage of our medical system, the illegals, who are one BIG reason this is happening. & it probably doesn't affect you, so why should you give a shit. So go ahead & tell someone else who fears them too, don't tell me how much we need them or how you fear them!

Next time you talk to these medical workers ask them how their wages and benefits have gone since the hospital has gone private , provided they still have a job. I know I have family who work in the field and tell me all about it.

The truth about privatization

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Hillary loss cause she ran a bad strategy and she could not garmer enough support to win.

Hillary didn't lose.
Very severe to say, but USA is a pathetic democracy. Nothing else.
A voter of Alaska has his voice that counts about 12 times less than a voter of Texas.
WTF. That's not correct.
That's one more point to not vote when you live in a "small" State.

If I was an American citizen, I'd request a referendum to change this as soon as possible.