Current or modern politics in the United States

[dethtongue]

Originally Posted by richardoe

The impression I have of American political parties is that the Democrats are conservative and the Republicans are extremely conservative. Think Im joking? Well if the Democrats are the so called liberals would they in the eighties have had someone like Michael Foot or Neil Kinnock as their leader? I dont think so!!!!

Not to get into to too much of a debate about it, but this may be kind of true...if only because once you get past the wide swath of ideals the terms liberal and conservative have whole cultural nuances of meaning that may not translate fully to another countries value set.

What would be a really interesting exercise is to start a forum posting asking for each person to state first how they view themselves ideologically. Then have them define three key descriptions of their ideology...then have them define three key descriptions of their opposing ideology. No flaming. No arguing. Just an experiment to see how people perceive their ideology vs an opposing ideology.

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

Very true !!!!

War is big business for only a few (which aren't involved in action) !!

Not for the national economy. Contrariwise , it ruins the national economy!
The tax payers money is running into the bags of the military industrial complex of a few companies and a few service conductors.

Soldiers are send into dead and can't participating at the national product any more.

Just an add.

Allow me to introduce 'The Few'

http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/companies.asp

Allow me to introduce the real legislators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...change_Council

Incidentally, this isn't a specific problem but a global problem. Even the allegedly war-weary Germany does the same. We make our money primarily with so-called 'defense' contracts. And our laws are mainly written and changed by corporations. Not by the people.

Edit : Sorry, corporations are people. My mistake. They may even vote.

Soon, soon...


Good night and good luck.

[2cheap]

It is a scary thing to see that American Democrats are seen as "conservative" by our friends across the pond.

It shows how far the Communists have dragged them down.

[DTravel]

Originally Posted by savage560

In some ways true.We really have no organized socialist party, or truely progressive party here.Most Americans, esp. hillbillies,equate Socialist with Soviet & Chinese style communism.They don't know in Europe Socialist named parties exist & are in power a lot of times.Social HC,Ownership or part of a nations industry,etc.

They know and its part of why they hate Europe.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by 2cheap

It is a scary thing to see that American Democrats are seen as "conservative" by our friends across the pond.

It shows how far the Communists have dragged them down.

Originally Posted by DTravel

They know and its part of why they hate Europe.

For that - you simply have to quote post #19
It's all said in this post.

Indeed, the US-Democrats are mainly seen as a conservative to a liberal force in the political spectrum. But the emphasis is at conservative part than the party is liberal.

That shows, how far away the Republican Party is away from the mainstream in Europe.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by 2cheap

It is a scary thing to see that American Democrats are seen as "conservative" by our friends across the pond.

It shows how far the Communists have dragged them down.

Originally Posted by DTravel

They know and its part of why they hate Europe.

Rick Santorum, the man who came second in the Republican primaries with 255 votes, wanted to abolish schools.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...lic-schooling/
But while the state continued to maintain an education sysem at all, he wanted this system to be abused as a means to indoctrinate children in "creationism", teaching lies as science.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...lic-schooling/
So:
Education...no.
Lies and indoctrination at the taxpayer's expense...yes.

Todd Akin, former Republican congressman for Missouri's 2nd District and failed senatorial candidate in 2012, believed that women who were victims of "legitimate rape" (his words) wouldn't get pregnant because their bodies would refuse to ovulate. For this reason, abortion for rape victims could be denied; any woman who got pregnant obviously hadn't been raped, or else she wouldn't have got pregnant, so she must be lying in order to get an abortion. Hence the expression "legitimate rape". Todd Akin wasn't a wildcard; he had almost exactly the same voting record on abortion as Paul Ryan, and indeed these two co-sponsored an anti-abortion bill. Todd Akin was a mainstream Republican congressman who made the mistake for speaking truthfully and displaying his misogyny, ignorance and prejudice, which are typical of that concealed by many other Republicans in Congress, such as Paul Ryan. The Republican war on women is a reality.

Conservative Republicans frequently cite Christian belief as the basis for their policies and decisions. This is in plain defiance of the First Amendment. It is one thing to be religious and to live by the precepts of your faith; the 1st amendment defends the right of all Americans to do this. It is a totally different thing to impose the precepts of your faith on others who do not share your faith and who disagree with your religious opinions, as for example Rick Santorum in his attempts to require state schools to teach Creationism. This is fascist and should be punished; it steals the freedom of other citizens as underwritten in the 1st Amendment. Although we do not have a written constitution in the UK, we loathe and utterly despise god-botherers who seek elected office; we openly mocked Tony Blair for airing his Catholic beliefs and I remember grinning at Blair's discomfiture when the British press, not bothering to conceal the sneer in the question, asked him if he had prayed alongside President Bush on the occasion of Blair's first visit to 1600 Pennsylvannia Avenue. A politician should not blaspheme against God by professing to believe in Him; God is a private matter of personal belief about which the state and politicians should have absolutely nothing to say and should say absolutely nothing.

So yes indeed; we in Europe regard the Democrats, with their own God-Bothering tendencies, as deeply conservative, and the Republicans as profoundly reactionary, so much so that in some European countries they would fall foul of laws passed to prevent the re-emergence of Fascism.

[bombermouse]

Scoundrel's post #109 explains why, in spite of probably the most vulnerable sitting president since Gerald Ford, the Republicans were unable to reclaim the White House. They are badly out of touch with the electorate.

[Puhbear69]

Believe it or not, such "misdirected" Christians running around here too.
But they are in a very, very small minority and are going for the amusement of 99,999..% of the majority.

But seriously and not amusing:
We had here too two cases of raped woman, who were denied from two Catholic hospitals of the same region any help.
No securing of evidences, neither the morning after contraception pill. That this is unlawfully - no doubt at all, those hospitals are funded of the public insurances and the tax payer. In this cases the operator of the hospitals (Catholic Church of that diocese) will be threaten with a closing of the hospitals, it will be interesting, how and if the hospitals will be getting out of this case.
The prosecution and the country government were involved, after it got public in nearly all media here. It will have hard consequences, I'm sure. That's an example for a "no go".

Found a source in English

another one: The Telegraph

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

We had here too two cases of raped woman, who were denied from two Catholic hospitals of the same region any help.
No securing of evidences, neither the morning after contraception pill. That this is unlawfully - no doubt at all, those hospitals are funded of the public insurances and the tax payer. In this cases the operator of the hospitals (Catholic Church of that diocese) will be threaten with a closing of the hospitals, it will be interesting, how and if the hospitals will be getting out of this case.
The prosecution and the country government were involved, after it got public in nearly all media here. It will have hard consequences, I'm sure. That's an example for a "no go".

Found a source in English

I hope very much that the hospital concerned is closed and replaced by a state-funded institution which is not controlled by any religious body, and I also hope very much indeed that the doctor is struck off the medical list for doing this thing and that, if it can be shown that she correctly reported the guidance of the so-called Ethics Committee of the hospital which led to to her refusing counselling and treatment, the members of this committee, presumably doctors themselves, should also be struck off. This is trully heinous, and everyone implicated should be hounded and made an example of, to encourage the others.

The way to make sure people know such things are not accepted is to not accept them and not accept the people guilty of doing them.

[Puhbear69]

It's a very strange case here, I have to admit. It will have an aftermath in court and also in the country parliament of NRW.
The docter made him-/herself guilty of 'denial of assistance', that's punishable too.
The hospitals - also from the religious bodies - are funded by the public insurances and the tax payer as I said. So it will have a public interest.

I wanted to show up, that such - I call them 'fundamentalists' - are running around here too.