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April 18th, 2015, 09:49 PM | #1021 |
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The Republicans are not a politically correct party though. Look at their attitudes to rape and abortion and to environmental issues.
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April 19th, 2015, 12:41 AM | #1022 |
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As an American who occasionally notices what's going on inside the D.C. Asylum, there are always going to be a few extremists on any axis or combination of axes of political belief. I personally am not worried about those individuals. What worries me is when some group of them seems to end up in control of their political party. Currently I do see that being the case with the American Republican party and do not see it being the case with the American Democratic party. (And I've been voting against my local incumbent Democratic party congresscritter for some time now because I see he/she as one of those extremists who's lost touch with reality. I wrote to their office to register my opposition to a bill they were in favor of and got a response back. After getting rid of the verbal glad-handing it boiled down to "Yes, but I know what's good for you better than you do." As you can guess, I was not thrilled with that attitude from someone who's supposed to be representing me in my government.)
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I had similar results from Senator's Feinstein and Boxer, when Pres. Obama made his Red-Line statement regarding Syria. I was, and still am, a war weary American, and to me there were doubt as to who was actually responsible, Assad, or one of the many factions of rebels, and did not want the U.S. to get involved. After receiving their "thank you for your correspondence, but I know better" replies, I sent them another letter telling them their job was not to know better but to represent their constituency, and that I would never vote for either of them in the future again. To Feinstein, I also admonished her because she and her husband would likely profit if the U.S. went to war yet again. Her husband is some kind of developer that made money in Afghanistan, IIRC.
I ended up leaving the state to care for my mother, she has Alzheimer's, a few months later, so that turned out to be an empty threat, but their responses were infuriatingly smug and patronizing. |
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April 19th, 2015, 06:51 AM | #1024 | |
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What would you say in cases where the woman was a victim of rape? Are there different catagories of rape, and does it have to be "legitimate rape" (as defined by Todd Akin) before the state should provide the victim with free access to an abortion? Or as with Richard Mourdock, would you argue that the victim has a duty to God to both bear and raise her rapist's baby? If the answer to any of my questions is "Yes", then I would agree that your position is politically incorrect and it would tend to endorse my previous point about the political incorrectness of the Republican Party and its philosophical outlook. This is the party of the War on Women.
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Before the standard conservative apologists leap in with "BUT LEFTIES DO IT TOO!" remember that conservatives claim this moral high ground as theirs; immoral behaviours are bad because they are self evident and there is no room for offset. Mandatory sentencing and all that. Well that practice was okay until white boys started getting arrested too. Total hypocrisy. Quote:
Keep in mind this is the same Dick Cheney who just said that Obama is almost a traitor because he wants to back off on Iranian sanctions... the same Dick Cheney who in 1999 said "politics are irrelevant! US oil companies, (well Haliburton), are losing access to the Iranian oil windfall thanks to sanctions and that they should be dropped!" |
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Once the reality in the US is that a young couple can walk into a Cathedral at 1:00 AM and look at the Priest and say "where are the condoms" and he says "if you'd like to talk first I am here but if not they are at the front doors in a basket" then maybe I will listen to the ignorance and lack of biology that constitutes these misogynists. Late term abortions are next to unknown and maybe there is some room for discussion as to what is a reasonable end date. But if all the discussion is going to be is merely worst case scenarios then lets consider remembering the images of women dying due to back street illegal abortions. All this contrasted against the reality that the current teen preggers winners are the RED STATES that endorsed George Bush's abstinence protocol. They have actually exceeded Harlem and other black conclaves that used to be the highest contenders for 'unwed mothers'. Grow up first and then we'll talk abortion. Irrelevant. I know you had more there but this concept that we have logical exclusions is so typical of the conservative mindset. Think about why Loretta Lynch's nomination is being held up? All because the Republicans believe that if a woman is sexually trafficked they are all about helping her out.. unless she was raped and made pregnant... then the law of the land does not apply. If anyone needs the right to the procedure it is a woman who has been sexually trafficked. But this is an old standard by the Republicans to pander to the Fundamentalists where they blackmail 3rd world countries and in this case 2nd and 3rd world women just to make the most ignorant self satisfied. |
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I did a bit of looking for earlier statements by Cheney -- he was challenged on this point by Joe Lieberman some years ago during the vice presidential debate. The basic logical and moral problem is this: How can you defend the idea that you'll support the legal discrimination against a group of people, unless one of them happens to be a relative? That's not a legitimate position. |
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Since you failed to address any of the points I made in my post, rodak, I take that to mean you believe a fetus has the right to go to full term in a pregnancy and then get born, after that all bets are off and it's on it's own.
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I'm not blase about abortion. But as a bearer of the Y chromasome, I do not believe it is for me to tell any woman what she may or may not do when controlling her own body. Were there to be a referendum on access to legal abortions I would restrict the right to vote to women only. Neither should we assume that women would be overwhelmingly in favour of legal abortions; I know quite a few women who are vehemently against legal abortions. But they have a right to that position; they have skin in the game, as it were. I am pretty sure though that the majority of women with votes would want to vote for the right to choose.
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