Current Politics in the United Kingdom

**thunderfly** · February 21st, 2016, 02:51 PM

As you may have seen in the news, Britain will be holding a referendum on the 23rd June on whether to leave the EU or stay in. So how will you be voting?

Personally, I'll be voting to leave.

**Wendigo** · February 21st, 2016, 03:01 PM

My heart says leave as the EU is too monolithic and resistant to change. If the answer is more politicians it's a stupid question.
My head says to wait and see what facts emerge over the next few months.

If as a whole we choose to leave will that prompt the Scots to have another referendum, always providing the figures for Scottish votes support that. I like to think Mrs Krankie has learned her lesson and will think before she leaps into the void again.

**Mal Hombre** · February 21st, 2016, 03:30 PM

Being cautious by nature,I am inclined to plump for the status quo,The proponents of leaving do not inspire Me with much confidence either.

MaxJoker · February 21st, 2016, 04:04 PM

I`d vote to leave !.

Vote faster than Greenman leaving a pub when it`s his round

Hmmmm remain in the Euro-Web-O-Lies
No question.
I want us "Outta there "
For a myriad of reasons I`ll not bore the firm cheeks off anybody here with.
Since the unbiased nation draining crushing sinking truth of how Phoenix like we`d globally soar once unshackled. Is available . If my Fellow Forum Fellows wish to Google.

In fact there`s just one way I`d vote to remain.

If we annexed Germany first

**thunderfly** · February 21st, 2016, 07:42 PM

I'll be voting to leave if only because we won't get another chance after this one if we don't take it.
That's not to say I don't have other reasons as well.

**DB83** · February 21st, 2016, 08:18 PM

If politicians were honest, and none of them are since they would never be elected, our 'friends' in Europe do not want us. But they want our money.

I try to recall the founding principles of the EU. I seem to remember it was simply called 'The Common Market' but has become over-blown by bureaucracy. (even that is a French word)

I voted 'Yes' at the last referendum on the EU. This time it is a 'No'.

We will not know the facts. Both sides will adopt 'scare' tactics such as the fear of the unknown.

spoonman2 · February 21st, 2016, 08:29 PM

If you want Britain to survive as anything more than an historical relic like Rutland or Wessex, you must vote to leave. It's as simple as that. It's a fundamental mistake to judge this on a short term balance of advantages. This is fundamental, not politics as usual.

sarac · February 21st, 2016, 08:37 PM

There are pros and cons on both sides - bigger is sometimes better, especially when considering trade issues; but then some form of autonomous decision-making within this nation would also be welcome rather than being dictated too by a feux federated EU Parliament.

Expect the big businesses to cry wolf should we choose to leave. They'll bleat and moan and threaten to uproot their companies out of the UK if they don't get their way.

I also hope that if there is a clear No vote, we won't be subject to further referendums every few years until those in Power finally get what they want.

By the same token I also hope that the No vote won't be trumped by a smallish Yes vote, with the "don't know" vote tacked on.

Personally I don't think it will make much difference if we stay in or opt out, at least not for the ordinary person trying to earn a crust.

And what would happen if we do opt out? How long will it take? Does opting out mean opting out of EVERYTHING to do with the EU, or just certain areas? And if the UK do vote to opt out under this government, what happens should Labour win power? Will they have another referendum pushing us to rejoin?

**Wendigo** · February 21st, 2016, 10:32 PM

This is a non party political issue - apart from the LibDems who all firmly believe in the EU both Labour and Conservatives will have MP's who will vote YES and also some who will vote NO.
Like him or not Boris is right, it is a now or never vote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35626621

The original vote was to join a Common Market that has morphed in a sinister fashion into a European super state, a latter day Unholy Roman Empire, I have a nagging doubt that the Eurocrats have even more sinister plans in the pipeline just waiting for the taps to be turned.

I am veering towards a vote to leave as it's hard to think of anything concrete the EU has actually done that can be seen as positive for the UK.

Sadly an out vote will still keep us in Urovision - spelling is as I mean it to be before you ask.

**chris chunt** · February 22nd, 2016, 01:36 AM

out out out out out !
europe is just lawyers making laws for lawyers to decipher in order to keep lawyers busy .
feck off .
lets get out

February 21st, 2016, 02:51 PM	#1
thunderfly Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 896 Thanks: 6,620 Thanked 11,386 Times in 896 Posts	Current Politics in the United Kingdom As you may have seen in the news, Britain will be holding a referendum on the 23rd June on whether to leave the EU or stay in. So how will you be voting? Personally, I'll be voting to leave. Last edited by thunderfly; February 21st, 2016 at 02:56 PM..

February 21st, 2016, 03:01 PM	#2
Wendigo Former Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Blighty Posts: 113,716 Thanks: 259,817 Thanked 1,138,733 Times in 113,838 Posts	My heart says leave as the EU is too monolithic and resistant to change. If the answer is more politicians it's a stupid question. My head says to wait and see what facts emerge over the next few months. If as a whole we choose to leave will that prompt the Scots to have another referendum, always providing the figures for Scottish votes support that. I like to think Mrs Krankie has learned her lesson and will think before she leaps into the void again. __________________ RIP Doctor Who To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 23 November 1963 to 25 December 2017, sacrificed on the altar of identity politics. The show is dead to me, but my DVD's live on If you can re-up dead links please consider adding this to your signature. It helps when looking at reports of dead posts. Please PM me re any dead images although it is likely if it is outside Celebs I may no longer have the content

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MaxJoker Beloved Brother Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cemetery Gardens_Arterial Blood Lane_Rampton Secure Unit_Extra Violent F Wing_Cell 19 Posts: 69,106 Thanks: 372,713 Thanked 987,434 Times in 69,067 Posts	Now if only we could get a referendum on retaining the so called Royals too. I`d vote to leave !. Vote faster than Greenman leaving a pub when it`s his round Hmmmm remain in the Euro-Web-O-Lies No question. I want us "Outta there " For a myriad of reasons I`ll not bore the firm cheeks off anybody here with. Since the unbiased nation draining crushing sinking truth of how Phoenix like we`d globally soar once unshackled. Is available . If my Fellow Forum Fellows wish to Google. In fact there`s just one way I`d vote to remain. If we annexed Germany first __________________ My hypocrisy only goes so To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

February 21st, 2016, 10:32 PM	#9
Wendigo Former Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Blighty Posts: 113,716 Thanks: 259,817 Thanked 1,138,733 Times in 113,838 Posts	This is a non party political issue - apart from the LibDems who all firmly believe in the EU both Labour and Conservatives will have MP's who will vote YES and also some who will vote NO. Like him or not Boris is right, it is a now or never vote http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35626621 The original vote was to join a Common Market that has morphed in a sinister fashion into a European super state, a latter day Unholy Roman Empire, I have a nagging doubt that the Eurocrats have even more sinister plans in the pipeline just waiting for the taps to be turned. I am veering towards a vote to leave as it's hard to think of anything concrete the EU has actually done that can be seen as positive for the UK. Sadly an out vote will still keep us in Urovision - spelling is as I mean it to be before you ask. __________________ RIP Doctor Who To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 23 November 1963 to 25 December 2017, sacrificed on the altar of identity politics. The show is dead to me, but my DVD's live on If you can re-up dead links please consider adding this to your signature. It helps when looking at reports of dead posts. Please PM me re any dead images although it is likely if it is outside Celebs I may no longer have the content

February 21st, 2016, 07:42 PM	#5
thunderfly Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 896 Thanks: 6,620 Thanked 11,386 Times in 896 Posts	I'll be voting to leave if only because we won't get another chance after this one if we don't take it. That's not to say I don't have other reasons as well.

February 21st, 2016, 08:18 PM	#6
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,018 Times in 1,458 Posts	If politicians were honest, and none of them are since they would never be elected, our 'friends' in Europe do not want us. But they want our money. I try to recall the founding principles of the EU. I seem to remember it was simply called 'The Common Market' but has become over-blown by bureaucracy. (even that is a French word) I voted 'Yes' at the last referendum on the EU. This time it is a 'No'. We will not know the facts. Both sides will adopt 'scare' tactics such as the fear of the unknown.

February 21st, 2016, 08:29 PM	#7
spoonman2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 127 Thanks: 904 Thanked 1,640 Times in 114 Posts	If you want Britain to survive as anything more than an historical relic like Rutland or Wessex, you must vote to leave. It's as simple as that. It's a fundamental mistake to judge this on a short term balance of advantages. This is fundamental, not politics as usual.

February 21st, 2016, 08:37 PM	#8
sarac Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: England, UK Posts: 112 Thanks: 58 Thanked 1,440 Times in 113 Posts	There are pros and cons on both sides - bigger is sometimes better, especially when considering trade issues; but then some form of autonomous decision-making within this nation would also be welcome rather than being dictated too by a feux federated EU Parliament. Expect the big businesses to cry wolf should we choose to leave. They'll bleat and moan and threaten to uproot their companies out of the UK if they don't get their way. I also hope that if there is a clear No vote, we won't be subject to further referendums every few years until those in Power finally get what they want. By the same token I also hope that the No vote won't be trumped by a smallish Yes vote, with the "don't know" vote tacked on. Personally I don't think it will make much difference if we stay in or opt out, at least not for the ordinary person trying to earn a crust. And what would happen if we do opt out? How long will it take? Does opting out mean opting out of EVERYTHING to do with the EU, or just certain areas? And if the UK do vote to opt out under this government, what happens should Labour win power? Will they have another referendum pushing us to rejoin?

February 22nd, 2016, 01:36 AM	#10
chris chunt Vintage Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,805 Thanks: 7,946 Thanked 36,406 Times in 2,765 Posts	out out out out out ! europe is just lawyers making laws for lawyers to decipher in order to keep lawyers busy . feck off . lets get out

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