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**Wendigo** · February 23rd, 2018, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

You seem to believe that the US will disarm - you are dreaming. If you face reality, you would allow CCWs to carry in schools.

If you actually face reality you will not find a single post on VEF where I have said I believe the US will disarm, I have said many times that you have crossed the Rubicon on this matter, any changes will be slight at best. Guns are part of the American psyche and sadly tens of thousands of people's lives will continue to be sacrificed to the second amendment each year.

As Rupert says this is not the thread for this discussion and I have expressed my views fully on this matter in other threads and nothing Trump has said has changed my views in any way. I think he is nothing more than an NRA glove puppet.

**Puhbear69** · February 23rd, 2018, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rupertramjet

Living in a country were the only people on the streets who can ever legally carry guns, are highly trained armed response Police officers, I find the prospect of untrained people carrying guns very frightening, in nearly all European countries the rule is the same, what I also find very very sad is that the people of the US can not see why we find it obscene that they see no problem with it, despite the tens of thousands killed by gun crime every year.

[...]

Don't forget the accidental killed victims.

In a period of three years more US-citizens by gun crimes as in Vietnam US-soldiers in a period of 19 years of war !

And I wrote before:

And I bet (!):
next we hear from "Gun Land" of a teacher, who's running amok and shoot just with that gun his- and several other students before he could be stopped.

**Rogerbh** · February 23rd, 2018, 11:01 PM

If "gun crimes" includes suicides then I can agree with your stats. If the teacher was a CCW permit holder than the likelihood that he would start shooting people around him/her is about 1/3rd of a policeman shooting people around them. Since you agree that guns are a part of the American culture, you are merely ranting and venting in a rhetorical post.

Hope you feel better.

**Puhbear69** · February 23rd, 2018, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

If "gun crimes" includes suicides then I can agree with your stats. If the teacher was a CCW permit holder than the likelihood that he would start shooting people around him/her is about 1/3rd of a policeman shooting people around them. Since you agree that guns are a part of the American culture, you are merely ranting and venting in a rhetorical post.

Hope you feel better.

Which kind of "American culture" ?

Rhetorical - No !
According to the circumstances cynical - Yes !

**CARLTON BROWN** · February 24th, 2018, 12:48 AM

I think what's being forgotten in all this discussion about secretly armed teachers is the potential legal implications, especially if things go seriously wrong - which is highly likely in a high stress situation involving a building full of kids and a marauding psycho who has a semi-automatic rifle and a bag full of ammunition. The whole idea is just ridiculous and I doubt if the majority of teachers, even in the more pro-gun US states will want to go down this road, or many are even capable of handling a situation that may involve taking life. And what happens when they kill the wrong people? The only answer to this total madness, is spend loads of money and protect every school with reliable, disciplined armed security staff and turn the facilities into fortresses.

**Rogerbh** · February 24th, 2018, 04:17 AM

American gun culture - What a Brit should know of it - gun owners deliver votes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...reform/488045/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...an-divide.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...48-states.html

**chris chunt** · February 24th, 2018, 08:43 AM

No tribute to Mark E Smith at the Brit's .

Just posing for fashionable causes by Grimezy the storm artist .

They're not interested in the diversity of Brit music really .

Yo Theresa May what about money for people who aren't on rock / rap star wages and may have suffered recent misfortune ?

Put your hands in your own pocket then Grimezy .

**vinceprince** · February 24th, 2018, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

You seem to believe that the US will disarm - you are dreaming. If you face reality, you would allow CCWs to carry in schools.

You're dreaming thinking that teachers are going to be fearless armed undercover superheroes. This is not a Hollywood film as we found out with Deputy Scot Peterson.

It's only when a teacher shoots his whole class that you find out like the Las Vegas shooter he's not 'a good guy with a gun' but a 'bad guy with a gun' or suffering from 'mental illness' or a 'terrorist'. It's a bit late then.

Why do you now see teachers as saviours, they are as fragile and corruptible as anyone else.

**Mal Hombre** · February 24th, 2018, 09:03 AM

I would hope that there would be extensive background checks and psychiatric evaluations before a teacher is allowed to bring His/Her .44 Magnum to school..

**vinceprince** · February 24th, 2018, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

I would hope that there would be extensive background checks and psychiatric evaluations before a teacher is allowed to bring His/Her .44 Magnum to school..

Or on his big strong teenage 'special needs' student with anger management problems who might want to play with it?

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February 23rd, 2018, 11:01 PM	#32323
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,941 Thanks: 50,626 Thanked 91,412 Times in 10,790 Posts	If "gun crimes" includes suicides then I can agree with your stats. If the teacher was a CCW permit holder than the likelihood that he would start shooting people around him/her is about 1/3rd of a policeman shooting people around them. Since you agree that guns are a part of the American culture, you are merely ranting and venting in a rhetorical post. Hope you feel better.

February 24th, 2018, 12:48 AM	#32325
CARLTON BROWN Grand Vizier Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ruraltania Posts: 3,224 Thanks: 35,728 Thanked 35,661 Times in 3,216 Posts	I think what's being forgotten in all this discussion about secretly armed teachers is the potential legal implications, especially if things go seriously wrong - which is highly likely in a high stress situation involving a building full of kids and a marauding psycho who has a semi-automatic rifle and a bag full of ammunition. The whole idea is just ridiculous and I doubt if the majority of teachers, even in the more pro-gun US states will want to go down this road, or many are even capable of handling a situation that may involve taking life. And what happens when they kill the wrong people? The only answer to this total madness, is spend loads of money and protect every school with reliable, disciplined armed security staff and turn the facilities into fortresses.

February 24th, 2018, 04:17 AM	#32326
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,941 Thanks: 50,626 Thanked 91,412 Times in 10,790 Posts	American gun culture - What a Brit should know of it - gun owners deliver votes. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...reform/488045/ https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...an-divide.html http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...48-states.html

February 24th, 2018, 08:43 AM	#32327
chris chunt Vintage Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,805 Thanks: 7,946 Thanked 36,411 Times in 2,765 Posts	No tribute to Mark E Smith at the Brit's . Just posing for fashionable causes by Grimezy the storm artist . They're not interested in the diversity of Brit music really . Yo Theresa May what about money for people who aren't on rock / rap star wages and may have suffered recent misfortune ? Put your hands in your own pocket then Grimezy .