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Old 05-17-2018, 09:42 AM   #1041
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Do you understand my point now ?
How can we trust in Capitalist propaganda ?
Why suddenly all what he wrote about the Gulag would have been correct, (a form of Gospel word) , if he was wrong on the Judeo Bolchevism.
Not really

Dropping the nuclear weapon twice on Japan wasn't good in many ways, can't deny that, but also good it hastened the end of WW2, and so what if some Japanese historians dispute that, what makes them right ??? fact is we can never know what would have happened if the bombs were not detonated over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It amazes me how you can mention that and that capitalists were to blame and the Yanks and Roosevelt and Truman ....... Yet you fail, once again blame Stalin for his actions in his own country ..... how many died there ???

Once again, we can fault our own ways, you just can't seem to see anything wrong or conveniently fail to mention what Marx's ideas led to

Seriously, I can't handle critics of politicians past and present, many are placed in a situation of damned if you do or damned if you don't, not a position anybody likes to be in ...... but those who have never held public office should maybe try it one day and see how they handle a crisis or war or budget or anything.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:38 AM   #1042
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It amazes me how you can mention that and that capitalists were to blame and the Yanks and Roosevelt and Truman ....... Yet you fail, once again blame Stalin for his actions in his own country ..... how many died there ???
You don't get any numbers. No Occidental historians get the access to these datas. So why do you believe them ?

When a few American historians (often) claimed there were millions of people killed in USSR, first they never mention that mainly was during what we could considered to be a Civil War and its consequences, secondly, there are plenty of other European historians telling that there never were millions of people killed, but between 700'000 to 800'000 opponents (who defended human exploitation...) executed.
I do not defend the fact they had to be killed. I only mention that was a form of war.
So when Judeo-Bolchevik and Stalinist killed people, it was crime, but when US government nuclear bombed Japanese civilians, it was war.

IMO both resulted from the same problems: conflicts. Conflicts that have taken the population hostage.

When Tony Blair went on war against the wish British population or Sarkozy against the French one, didn't they behave like dictators?

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Once again, we can fault our own ways, you just can't seem to see anything wrong or conveniently fail to mention what Marx's ideas led to


If the elites and the richs would have followed Marx's ideas, they would have shared their wealth and there would have been no conflicts.
That's the only truth...

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Seriously, I can't handle critics of politicians past and present, many are placed in a situation of damned if you do or damned if you don't, not a position anybody likes to be in ...... but those who have never held public office should maybe try it one day and see how they handle a crisis or war or budget or anything.
But you can handle to critic Marxist politicians, who wanted first to defend the working-class of terrible misery, when bourgeois were extremely rich and lived very old. (Do not forget that the average age of a European or Russian proletarian was... 28 years old).
So what is your opinion about the Bush Sr and Bush Jr wars, the French and American wars in Vietnam, etc... ?
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:22 PM   #1043
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You don't get any numbers. No Occidental historians get the access to these datas. So why do you believe them ?
Fact is we'll never know a figure,

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So when Judeo-Bolchevik and Stalinist killed people, it was crime, but when US government nuclear bombed Japanese civilians, it was war.
Umm, do you know what the difference is
Japan started it,
Japan was given it's demand to unconditional surrender
Japan refused to surrender

I blame Japan

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But you can handle to critic Marxist politicians, who wanted first to defend the working-class of terrible misery,
Hey, it was you who started this thread and get your damn facts right, working class misery if you don't want to work for billionaires , don't As for a critic of Marxist politicians, sorry I'm a critic of Marxist stupidity. Like I said, you started this thread and I'll defend our way of life.

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So what is your opinion about the Bush Sr and Bush Jr wars, the French and American wars in Vietnam, etc... ?
Think ya cornered me don't ya wrong I think of those wars exactly the same as you should think of the USSR in Afghanistan, all were disgusting
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Old 05-17-2018, 03:21 PM   #1044
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If the elites and the richs would have followed Marx's ideas, they would have shared their wealth and there would have been no conflicts. That's the only truth...

That's so simplistic it's not worth more than the following
If your grandma had a penis she could have been your grandpa

That's the only truth

You are so indoctrinated by communist propaganda it's not worth wasting our time replying except in jest

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You are quite nice. "Kill em all" was the only Stalin quote that really rocked.
All the other ones were very boring.

But in fact I'd extend my observation to "almost all the famous communists in the world".
They often wrote just one to five speeches that bring them to power and make them rich and famous and then they repeat them again and again and again in front of brainwashed apparatchiks
That's soooooo boring.

In comparison a good Marxist apologist is always good and will always produce the exact same arguments in dozens of once vibrant threads and is far more self promoting than your average Kardashian.
What more can I say
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What more can I say
I can say a lot

If I were a billionaire 20 times over, I'd share my wealth but with those who deserve it, I'll be damned if I gave it away for some equality or fairness ideas I'd rather burn it than give it away for that belief. Charities and worthwhile causes for sure would be looked after also ... Oh, and I would push the tax laws to absolute limit, I couldn't care less if my legal team charged me more than what my tax bill would have been , as long as the Government don't get to waste it I'm happy
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:37 PM   #1046
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Oh dear. You mix everything.
I just mentionned the hypocrisy of the Capitalist propaganda.
  • When Soljenitsyn described the Gulag his voice was pure and perfect for the Capitalist propaganda.
  • When the same Soljenistsyn described the Judeo Bolchevism, his voice was wrong and distorted for the same Capitalist propaganda.

Do you understand my point now ?
How can we trust in Capitalist propaganda ?
Why suddenly all what he wrote about the Gulag would have been correct, (a form of Gospel word) , if he was wrong on the Judeo Bolchevism.
I'm trying to figure out where you get the term Judeo Bolshevism. Some of the old-guard Bolsheviks were what you would call ethnic Jews (like Trotsky), but they were actually trying knock out traditional Jewish culture and replace it with Communism. And later, under Stalin and beyond, things got a lot worse for the Jews. Stalin actually had Trotsky killed years after he fled the USSR.

Your term "Judeo-Bolshevism" sounds like an anti-Semitic conspiracy term, as though all of the Jews were in on it. They weren't.

We might as well call Hitler, who supposedly had a Jewish grandfather, a Jew, if he did.



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By the way you are a guy who wrote to use nuclear weapons on China.
It seems that killing innocent people doesn't disturb you at all.
I wouldn't actually argue for using nukes on China unless they used them first. That would open a huge can of radioactive worms.

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Before the two nuke bombs, Japanese and American governments already knew that Japan had lost the war. I quote the French sources (often taken from American sources) and then I google translated them for you.
The most interesting ones are the last comments in bold by Eisenhower himself.
Japan hadn't "lost the war", they were simply confined to their home islands at that point. Leaving the militarists in power through a cease-fire or a negotiated surrender was unacceptable because they simply would have waited a while and then started up their hostile behavior again. The whole Pacific Rim would be a very unstable place today if we would have allowed such a thing.

Given what they did at Pearl Harbor and some of their subsequent behavior, the morality cards were pretty much swept off the table by the time we had the capacity to nuke them. They made their own karma.

And even so, less Japanese died from the nukes then would have died if we had to launch a conventional invasion of the Japanese Home Islands.
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I can say a lot

If I were a billionaire 20 times over, I'd share my wealth but with those who deserve it, I'll be damned if I gave it away for some equality or fairness ideas I'd rather burn it than give it away for that belief. Charities and worthwhile causes for sure would be looked after also ... Oh, and I would push the tax laws to absolute limit, I couldn't care less if my legal team charged me more than what my tax bill would have been , as long as the Government don't get to waste it I'm happy
You should move to the United States where we have the best politicians money can buy. You would be happy to pay your taxes then.
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Ah I ain't posting here no more. xyzde69 will never admit any one who does not agree with him and his viewpoint(s) is right and he is wrong. This has become an endevour in fruitless verbage not an exchange of opinions.
I think the militants are more rational.
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I'm trying to figure out where you get the term Judeo Bolshevism.
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And even so, less Japanese died from the nukes then would have died if we had to launch a conventional invasion of the Japanese Home Islands.
Kind of what I said, we'd never know since it never happened, though you can bet my fat capitalist ass it would be the case.

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Ah I ain't posting here no more. xyzde69 will never admit any one who does not agree with him and his viewpoint(s) is right and he is wrong.
Mate, you're gonna miss the hypocrisy between threads I've seen
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I'm trying to figure out where you get the term Judeo Bolshevism. Some of the old-guard Bolsheviks were what you would call ethnic Jews (like Trotsky), but they were actually trying knock out traditional Jewish culture and replace it with Communism. And later, under Stalin and beyond, things got a lot worse for the Jews. Stalin actually had Trotsky killed years after he fled the USSR.

Your term "Judeo-Bolshevism" sounds like an anti-Semitic conspiracy term, as though all of the Jews were in on it. They weren't.
It's not my term.

After October 1917 Judeo Bolchevism myth was developped by the "White Russians" (Russians who fought the revolution).

Here is a painting describing "Judeo Bolchevism".



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It's not because you are not interested to open a book that you have to blame people interested by a large pannel of opinions.

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Mate, you're gonna miss the hypocrisy between threads I've seen
As you, pretending admiring, "the Boss" ?

I'd like to watch him reading your comments.

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Umm, do you know what the difference is
Japan started it,
Japan was given it's demand to unconditional surrender
Japan refused to surrender

I blame Japan
Even American Generals Eisenhower and Mac Arthur were against to use the nuclear bombs on Japanese people.
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