Holocaust:True Or False ? - Page 21

**cicciobuki** · May 16th, 2019, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Ya'll need to stop with the fantasy, alternate history posts. This thread is not about such it is about wither the Holocaust happened or not.
This post is from me as a member and not as a mod.

So, after 22 pages, did we find out if the holocaust really happened or not?

**bowlinggreen** · May 16th, 2019, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cicciobuki

So, after 22 pages, did we find out if the holocaust really happened or not?

Yes.

**Meini Again** · May 16th, 2019, 10:07 PM

Students ?

Want to Learn ?

Want to Keep an OPEN Mind ?

An Academic Source:

https://www.facinghistory.org/resour...wer-propaganda

YOUR CHOICE

**scoundrel** · May 16th, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cicciobuki

So, after 22 pages, did we find out if the holocaust really happened or not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWUu6ip6Y_w

The victims certainly weren't "evacuated".

**otokonomidori** · May 16th, 2019, 11:33 PM

Should it be illegal to deny the Holocaust? It is in some countries.

I reckon in a free country you should be able to believe or disbelieve any damn thing you like - Moon Landings, Loch Ness Monster, God, the Holocaust, Paul Is Dead....

**cicciobuki** · May 17th, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by otokonomidori

Should it be illegal to deny the Holocaust? It is in some countries.

I reckon in a free country you should be able to believe or disbelieve any damn thing you like - Moon Landings, Loch Ness Monster, God, the Holocaust, Paul Is Dead....

You are allowed to believe anything you want in these countries, it's the openly propagating part that isn't.
It's a small difference yet also a big one.

Edit: "Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 16 countries: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Switzerland."

And apparantly also: Australia, Bosnia herzegovina, Spain, Canada, new Zealand and (a bit surprising) South Africa

**badman999** · May 17th, 2019, 11:55 AM

I learned to recognise numbers from the concentration camp tattoo on my uncle's forearm. Undeniably true.

**george anson** · May 19th, 2019, 09:17 AM

The evidence is clearly there in documents, recollections of victims and perpetrators and video evidence.

For sheer barbarity World War Two took it to another level. There were also the camps created by the Japanese and the infamous Unit 731. The concentration camps in the Balkans such as Jasenovac and the extermination of the Serbs and Jews by the Ustase and Handschar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR9UxwO7QlQ

And elsewhere as in Ukraine people like Stepan Bandera who is lionized over there by some as a patriot who also joined in wiping out the local Jews and also Poles as in the little known Volhynia Massacres.

It is a real pity that in some countries some of the population are still unwilling to admit what happened because ultimately I believe they are deeply ashamed of what did happen. It is more unfortunate still that others as in Turkey for example are wanting to whitewash history and pretend something like the Armenian genocide did not happen.

This despite the eyewitness reports of survivors, perpetrators, nuns and other organizations that tried to intervene and international diplomats.

**otokonomidori** · May 19th, 2019, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cicciobuki

You are allowed to believe anything you want in these countries, it's the openly propagating part that isn't.
It's a small difference yet also a big one.

Edit: "Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 16 countries: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Switzerland."

And apparantly also: Australia, Bosnia herzegovina, Spain, Canada, new Zealand and (a bit surprising) South Africa

To me in a free country you should be able to say anything you like , no matter how abhorrent , provided you don''t incite violence against anybody.

swampthing 3rd · May 19th, 2019, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cicciobuki

You are allowed to believe anything you want in these countries, it's the openly propagating part that isn't.
It's a small difference yet also a big one.

Edit: "Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in France,

Ironic considering how many Jews the French deported to be executed. But nobody talks about their role in aiding Germany. France and Germany will always be partners in crime. Just look at how they both rule the EU.

In the end Germany won WW2. Look at how Britain is treated by the Europe they helped free. Never again. Except when it does happen again.

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May 16th, 2019, 10:07 PM	#203
Meini Again Vintage Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: North Wales Posts: 3,637 Thanks: 32,358 Thanked 31,826 Times in 3,566 Posts	Students ? Want to Learn ? Want to Keep an OPEN Mind ? An Academic Source: https://www.facinghistory.org/resour...wer-propaganda YOUR CHOICE

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otokonomidori 緑の男 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jockistan, UK. Posts: 8,316 Thanks: 39,016 Thanked 122,404 Times in 8,316 Posts	Should it be illegal to deny the Holocaust? It is in some countries. I reckon in a free country you should be able to believe or disbelieve any damn thing you like - Moon Landings, Loch Ness Monster, God, the Holocaust, Paul Is Dead....

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badman999 Vintage Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: England Posts: 5,157 Thanks: 24,596 Thanked 31,468 Times in 5,168 Posts	I learned to recognise numbers from the concentration camp tattoo on my uncle's forearm. Undeniably true.

May 19th, 2019, 09:17 AM	#208
george anson Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Watford Posts: 8,749 Thanks: 21,772 Thanked 293,403 Times in 8,926 Posts	The evidence is clearly there in documents, recollections of victims and perpetrators and video evidence. For sheer barbarity World War Two took it to another level. There were also the camps created by the Japanese and the infamous Unit 731. The concentration camps in the Balkans such as Jasenovac and the extermination of the Serbs and Jews by the Ustase and Handschar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR9UxwO7QlQ And elsewhere as in Ukraine people like Stepan Bandera who is lionized over there by some as a patriot who also joined in wiping out the local Jews and also Poles as in the little known Volhynia Massacres. It is a real pity that in some countries some of the population are still unwilling to admit what happened because ultimately I believe they are deeply ashamed of what did happen. It is more unfortunate still that others as in Turkey for example are wanting to whitewash history and pretend something like the Armenian genocide did not happen. This despite the eyewitness reports of survivors, perpetrators, nuns and other organizations that tried to intervene and international diplomats.