Blind Support for Police

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SanteeFats in post #8,

Good post! Maybe the best of yours I've read so far.

Otherwise, to the OP,

The only thing I can ad to the discussion is the knowledge of minorities (black or red) about "driving while black (and or red)". Haven't experienced it as a black but have experienced it in several American Indian communities. All I can say is that it does exist. I've been pulled over for doing nothing other than driving in S Dakota and Wisconsin. Why? Wasn't doing anything wrong other than being with several other Native people.

But, at the same time, I must say that I was pulled over by a small town cop in N Texas who had never seen a BMW motorcycle before. The difference was that when I was with the group we were pulled out of the vehicle at gunpoint. In N Texas I was by myself and could easily pass for being white.

[savage560]

Sith,yes, I did say alleged on the 10 shot recording .Yes I agree with most of what you state.You confirmed my points in some ways.& yes some cops are thugs,I've seen this from first hand experience too.How many?Many are trying to figure this out, & are studying this fact for a long time.Sory if you did'nt like the referal to Fergison,did'nt really read that part where it requested not to be referenced.

All the facts are not in,true,but 6 hits by an officer will allways be questioned,in any case when an unarmed man,allegedly, is shot by an officer, or anyone for that matter.Even a home invader,a home owner can be brought to question,if his method to solve a dire situation like that, if he applies lethal force in some states, to remedy such an invasion,when the HI is unarmed.OK Ferguson is tough not to bring up.

Its an allmost, if not an imposible answer to get ,if racial profiling/prejudism is involved in a cops mind,or a perpetraitors for that matter,when any attack is made against the victim of another race,even etnicity.So does this happen?Look into your souls to find an answer.Maybe it never will be able to be determind, to clearly find that answer,most of the time.Does that mentality exist?IMO & many others,of course,but it is one flaw in human kind that probably never will be admitted to.But as I stated, it is out there ,whether we stand up to admitting it or not.All we can do is try to minimize the profiling & prejudism & try to seek justice,no matter what the reasons.

Yes its allways difficult to determine who was abusing their powers or advantage, & escalated an incident to a point when it required lethal or extreme force,but we can all hope for justice ,unbiasedly to be served.In PO & from any other persons that involve such force.Officers of the law do have a tough job.In some areas much tougher than others.Some can handle a situation better than others,in times of violence, not one of us are perfect.

But the question here is do some whites blindly support cops when any questionalbe shooting(s) by police or other LE agency occur?I think so, but I really don't think its a majority of the people by far.Most just want to seek justice, to a point where the truth can be determined,as best as possible,without bias from external interests.That can be hard to achive in some locals too.This blind unquestioning support can be racially influenced too.If a situation is reversed here & say a black (or white cop for that matter to a lesser extent?) cop shoots a white,supposed perp thats unarmed, I think the blind support may not be as fervent & as widespread amoung caucasions at all?We are all human & have our own inbread biases,& sometimes cannot even aknowledge them,& that can be applied to any group of people.

Yes in conclusion, there are many people in LE that cannot draw the line between using excessive force to solve a dispute or controll a situation, & fail to take the oportunity to de-escallate an incident before lethal force is resorted to,but the human factor of flaw comes into play here.How many of us think postively they would be able to handle such a dire incident better?Its tough,maybe the answer is better training?Or a phychological, better method to determine who is more able to do such?Its a problem now,& should'nt be ignored.But thats what humans do better than any other living thing on Earth,get thousands of minds together & solve problems!

I can see more civil unrest if our young workforce is unemployed or under payed & underemployed, & the nation is continuing to grow in population & good jobs are not abundant.Exporting jobs & importing people is not a viable answer.

[2cheap]

Originally Posted by ajitpd

In your opinion, why do white people seem to overwhelmingly support police after every controversial shooting of civilians by police?

In recent years, I have noticed this happen regardless of the color or racial background of the victim, therefore, please do not make it about Ferguson, MO. It is unfortunate this incident got racial profile to it when I see it just another issue of Police vs citizens.

Your comment is racist on its face.
Lumping all white people in the same category is as bad as doing the same to blacks.

I, and many other "European Americans" bash the police when they are wrong and defend them when they are right (in our opinion).

The reverse, attacking the police with no facts because they ARE the police seems to be a position that is owned by a certain subset of the Black community.
But it is not all Blacks.

[DTravel]

I've worked with police in the US. I don't blindly support them but I also recognize that they are human and their job sometimes requires life and death snap judgements in highly stressful situations with incomplete information. You are NEVER going to get perfection in those kinds of situations. That said every "incident" needs to be individually examined. I also don't blindly accept what is initially reported. The initial information is always incomplete, frequently flat out wrong and far too often spun for someone's political gain.

I also am aware that there are certain people (*cough*Al Sharpton*cough*) who's political power comes almost solely from trumping up hysterical charges of racism at every perceived opportunity.

I also wonder a bit about things like this: UN Condemns U.S. Police Brutality, Calls For 'Stand Your Ground' Review One has to wonder how many of the ambassadors and national representatives on that panel are from nations where active genocides are happening or have happened in the recent past.

[tygrkhat40]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Sith

...but I can tell you less than 1% of all police contacts end in police misconduct. Here is the problem, the news media loves bad news and loves to report it, therefore it appears that every stop ends in a police officers assaulting a citizen or violating their civil rights, it just isn't true.

You are correct on this Sith. However, even thought the media has a tendency to emphasise the bad, when the bad cops are exposed, there is little or no condmenation from the rank and file. Here in Buffalo, we have had several incidents of specific officers abusing their authority on citizens who have done nothing more than exercise their rights. The majority of the complaints have come from whites. One officer is facing serious charges in connection with an assault-turned-murder crime while he was moonlighting in a bar. Since his arrest, there has been no condemnation for his actions from the BPD administration, the PBA or any other law enforcement officials in the area.

When one tars the image of an entire group who do not deserve to be tarred and then do nothing to remove the stain, the group deserves it.

[Lord Of The Sith]

Originally Posted by tygrkhat40

You are correct on this Sith. However, even thought the media has a tendency to emphasise the bad, when the bad cops are exposed, there is little or no condmenation from the rank and file. Here in Buffalo, we have had several incidents of specific officers abusing their authority on citizens who have done nothing more than exercise their rights. The majority of the complaints have come from whites. One officer is facing serious charges in connection with an assault-turned-murder crime while he was moonlighting in a bar. Since his arrest, there has been no condemnation for his actions from the BPD administration, the PBA or any other law enforcement officials in the area.

When one tars the image of an entire group who do not deserve to be tarred and then do nothing to remove the stain, the group deserves it.

Has his trial completed. If the answer is no than he is innocent until proven guilty and any decent law enforcement will say nothing until the case has been completed in the court system. Everyone, asks for instant condemnation when an officer may or may not have errored. That is why we have this BS from the governor of MO. He all but damned the officer be executed before the original autopsy was even complete. The correct answer to these situations is to complete the investigation and judicial actions, support people proven innocent, condemn those that are proven guilty, apologize to the public for wrong doing, implement new policies to reduce chances of misconduct. Police and other officials should NEVER discuss ongoing investigations or make determinations before the facts.

[Lord Of The Sith]

Originally Posted by savage560

Sith,yes, I did say alleged on the 10 shot recording .Yes I agree with most of what you state.You confirmed my points in some ways.& yes some cops are thugs,I've seen this from first hand experience too.How many?Many are trying to figure this out, & are studying this fact for a long time.Sory if you did'nt like the referal to Fergison,did'nt really read that part where it requested not to be referenced.

All the facts are not in,true,but 6 hits by an officer will allways be questioned,in any case when an unarmed man,allegedly, is shot by an officer, or anyone for that matter.Even a home invader,a home owner can be brought to question,if his method to solve a dire situation like that, if he applies lethal force in some states, to remedy such an invasion,when the HI is unarmed.OK Ferguson is tough not to bring up.

Its an allmost, if not an imposible answer to get ,if racial profiling/prejudism is involved in a cops mind,or a perpetraitors for that matter,when any attack is made against the victim of another race,even etnicity.So does this happen?Look into your souls to find an answer.Maybe it never will be able to be determind, to clearly find that answer,most of the time.Does that mentality exist?IMO & many others,of course,but it is one flaw in human kind that probably never will be admitted to.But as I stated, it is out there ,whether we stand up to admitting it or not.All we can do is try to minimize the profiling & prejudism & try to seek justice,no matter what the reasons.

Yes its allways difficult to determine who was abusing their powers or advantage, & escalated an incident to a point when it required lethal or extreme force,but we can all hope for justice ,unbiasedly to be served.In PO & from any other persons that involve such force.Officers of the law do have a tough job.In some areas much tougher than others.Some can handle a situation better than others,in times of violence, not one of us are perfect.

But the question here is do some whites blindly support cops when any questionalbe shooting(s) by police or other LE agency occur?I think so, but I really don't think its a majority of the people by far.Most just want to seek justice, to a point where the truth can be determined,as best as possible,without bias from external interests.That can be hard to achive in some locals too.This blind unquestioning support can be racially influenced too.If a situation is reversed here & say a black (or white cop for that matter to a lesser extent?) cop shoots a white,supposed perp thats unarmed, I think the blind support may not be as fervent & as widespread amoung caucasions at all?We are all human & have our own inbread biases,& sometimes cannot even aknowledge them,& that can be applied to any group of people.

Yes in conclusion, there are many people in LE that cannot draw the line between using excessive force to solve a dispute or controll a situation, & fail to take the oportunity to de-escallate an incident before lethal force is resorted to,but the human factor of flaw comes into play here.How many of us think postively they would be able to handle such a dire incident better?Its tough,maybe the answer is better training?Or a phychological, better method to determine who is more able to do such?Its a problem now,& should'nt be ignored.But thats what humans do better than any other living thing on Earth,get thousands of minds together & solve problems!

I can see more civil unrest if our young workforce is unemployed or under payed & underemployed, & the nation is continuing to grow in population & good jobs are not abundant.Exporting jobs & importing people is not a viable answer.

Most people are smart enough that they do not blindly follow law enforcement after a shooting. As a matter of fact after a shooting, threads like this one come of the woodwork and majority of those participating scream for the head of the police officer. I have no horse in this race so I can be candid and completely honest. I am talking about what I have read, what I have seen and what I have experienced. My interest in this whole issue is within a few days of the Ferguson shooting a black police officer in Salt Lake City shot a white assailant and no one has called for his resignation, or his head for that matter.

[easyed]

My dealings with the police over the last twenty years have been overwhelmingly negative (and I'm white). I'm not a criminal and have never been arrested but through my job I've had to deal with them quite a bit lately. They seem to be uninterested in investigating crime but are more than willing to show up for DUI check points and media events. My friends are Lawyers and they say "Don't call the cops, they won't make it better".

Pay a mostly uneducated 21yo 30 grand a year, give him a gun, little training and throw him into mostly unpleasant situations and see what you get. Their job is shitty. How about we turn in the expensive tank and assault gear and give them a raise? Maybe it will attract a better set of candidates.

[Rogerbh]

A 19 year old woman called the police and stated she was going to kill her family with an Uzi. She had a black pained cordless drill. When a number of police responded to the call, she went outside to confront them and refused all their orders to drop her 'object". When she advanced on them, a Japanese descent female cop shot her in her Caucasian chest - killing her. None of the other cops (five I believe) fired, only the one shot was fired. The woman's parents said she was bipolar and not suicidal - she supposedly only wanted attention. There is no national attention on this killing.

You couldn't pay me enough to have a cop's job, dealing with the scum of society and making life or death decisions with little or no warning. I'd only require those shoulder cams be active on duty and I'd give the benefit of the doubt to any decision they make.

Just watch a few of those COPS shows - see people repeatedly lie to them. Would you really want their job for twenty plus years?

[ajitpd]

OP here. I am surprised at the high level of knowledge and emotional restraint shown by all the posters here on such a heated issue.

Yes, my original question can be deemed racist because it was purely based on observation where majority of white people have sometimes vehemently supported the police when the servers-and-protectors have clearly dropped the ball and escalated the situation where they ended up killing someone who could be saved and helped. The idiotic arguments that I have heard have been outrageous. Many have equated a kitchen-knife wielding person at a distance of 20 feet with a sharpshooter with a loaded gun (obviously without knowing the complete facts). What makes me cringe is that the principle of innocent-until-proven-guilty doesn't seem to apply to the victims of government issued bullets. And even when there is enough evidence to support, lackluster investigations let the cops walk free.

However, posters here are obviously more knowledgeable and experienced than me, and I greatly appreciate their input.

I have great respect for community oriented cops and I have met some great ones. I thanked one cop when he gave me a traffic ticket; yes, he was that good. However, I don't want gym-rats in law-enforcement forces who are in them for adrenaline rush and guns. These guys are perhaps more suitable for special-ops in military.