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Old July 20th, 2017, 03:21 PM   #31
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The license fee is an Act of Parliament but not a law. If someone is suspected of not having a license then they could be investigated by a company called Capita. Capita have fingers in many pies including Government contracts. They are the company employed by the BBC to collect license fee payments. If an investigator calls at a property they have no rights to enter your property and can be told to leave should you revoke right of implied access. The ultimate step is for the investigators to apply for a search warrant. For this they'd have to have some sort of proof of tv signals being received. This would really be visual signs. Very rarely would this be granted. The police would be asked to attend but cannot interfere and entry cannot be forced. Due to a court case involving bailiff entry a few years back, the police nowadays are reluctant to aid any kind of enforcement because they can be held liable for their actions. Fines are a case for a magistrate.
It's important for us to realise we have more rights than bailiffs and the like would pretend we do. A few years back I became interested in the private parking ticket scum that have begun to infest this country. I've learned a lot and understand the lies that consumers are told on a regular basis by corporations and companies.
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The license fee is an Act of Parliament but not a law.
It is a law and a uses criminal law to enforce it but the police aren't involved in it's enforcement. Criminal law requires evidence 'beyond a reasonable doubt' to convict in a Magistrates Court, IOW near certainty. Though most that get this far will just plead guilty.

Unlike other debts which are enforced via the civil law which only are only required to be proved 'on a balance of probabilities' (greater than 50%).

Most people are only convicted of TV licencing because they stupidly admit it when visited. Though often rather than going the expensive and bureaucratic court process they are let off any enforcement if they then buy a licence.
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It is a law and a uses criminal law to enforce it but the police aren't involved in it's enforcement. Criminal law requires evidence 'beyond a reasonable doubt' to convict in a Magistrates Court, IOW near certainty. Though most that get this far will just plead guilty.

Unlike other debts which are enforced via the civil law which only are only required to be proved 'on a balance of probabilities' (greater than 50%).

Most people are only convicted of TV licencing because they stupidly admit it when visited. Though often rather than going the expensive and bureaucratic court process they are let off any enforcement if they then buy a licence.
Agreed, but there are apparently still people being banged up for non payment each year.
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Old July 20th, 2017, 04:22 PM   #34
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Agreed, but there are apparently still people being banged up for non payment each year.
You cannot go to prison for non-payment of your licence fee, but you can be jailed for not paying a fine imposed as punishment for not paying for a licence.

If convicted, you will get a criminal record, but it isn’t one that you have to disclose for most purposes, and it will not show up on basic criminal record checks. It’s only if you go for an advanced criminal record check (when applying for work as a lawyer, for example) that it shows up.
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Was how many senior BBC managements cocks sucked per pound earned mentioned for Aaron Heslehurst ?
Quite a high ratio I bet .
Or why else would he be there ?

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call me Cynical , I find it interesting when these BBC pay rates are published , on the very same day that the Pension Age is raised , so that is totally missed by the media -
smoke and mirrors........
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Some of the BBC's most high-profile female personalities have called on the corporation to "act now" to deal with the gender pay gap.

Presenters Clare Balding, Victoria Derbyshire and Emily Maitlis are among those who have signed an open letter to Director General Tony Hall.

They urge him to "correct" the disparity over gender pay, which they say has been known "for years".

A BBC spokesperson said progress had been made, but more "needs to be done."


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Dear Tony,

The pay details released in the Annual report showed what many of us have suspected for many years...that women at the BBC are being paid less than men for the same work.

Compared to many women and men, we are very well compensated and fortunate. However, this is an age of equality and the BBC is an organisation that prides itself on its values.

You have said that you will "sort" the gender pay gap by 2020, but the BBC has known about the pay disparity for years. We all want to go on the record to call upon you to act now.

Beyond the list, there are so many other areas including production, engineering and support services and global, regional and local media where a pay gap has languished for too long.

This is an opportunity for those of us with strong and loud voices to use them on behalf of all, and for an organisation that had to be pushed into transparency to do the right thing.

We would be willing to meet you to discuss ways in which you can correct this disparity so that future generations of women do not face this kind of discrimination.

Yours sincerely,

Aasmah Mir, Katya Adler, Anita Anand, Wendy Austin, Samira Ahmed, Clare Balding, Emma Barnett, Zeinab Badawi, Sue Barker, Rachel Burden, Annabel Croft, Martine Croxall, Victoria Derbyshire, Lyse Doucet, Jane Garvey, Joanna Gosling, Fi Glover, Carrie Gracie, Orla Guerin, Karin Giannone, Mishal Husain, Lucy Hockings, Geeta Guru-murthy, Kirsty Lang, Gabby Logan, Martha kearney, Carolyn Quinn, Kasia Madera, Katty Kay, Emily Maitlis, Louise Minchin, Sarah Montague, Jenni Murray, Annita Mc Veigh, Elaine Paige, Sally Nugent, Angela Rippon, Ritula Shah, Sarah Smith, Kate Silverton, Charlotte Smith, Kirsty Wark, Fiona Bruce, Alex Jones

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You will shortly be able to choose your own gender so problem solved.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7855381.html

Geraldine Lineker and Christine Evans will be the top earners. Sorted.
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1) To all you previous posters who have given us a lesson in the law surrounding recovery of unpaid BBC licence fees - pay up! (Unless of course you do pay but are extremely well versed in debt recovery law.) Back of a fag packet calculations would indicate that even if every household in the UK did pay the full fee it would still leave the BBC well short of being able to compete with the likes of SLY and others for the mainstream sport that has disappeared from Freeview screens over the last few decades, let alone still produce the award-winning drama and the news output that it does, and cutting the pay of half-a-dozen super-enumerated celebs wouldn't make much difference to that calculation either.
2) A regular response to claims that the BBC overpays it's stars is that they need to pay the 'going rate' to retain the talent. (The same argument, incidentally, that they come out with when executives pay is scrutinised, but nothing much is done about that either.) Well clearly they don't pay the going rate. The only 'star' on anything like what I imagine is a commercial TV level of pay is the much over-rated Chris (or 'Christine) Evans and frankly I personally wouldn't miss the self-indulgent tosser if he/she were to defect. When you consider the sacrifices that some of the news reporters make to bring us 24 hour news coverage, to make one example: constant weird shifts; living out of a suitcase; no family time etc, then they are worth slightly more than someone who writes the op-ed piece for a daily national newspaper, and they do get massive pay.
3) The gender pay gap is very apparent and does need addressing, but is reducing the pay of male staff the answer? I know how I'd feel if it were me being asked to take a 10 or 20% pay cut so that the corporation could look itself in the eye and say that they were compliant. IIRC on-screen staff weren't originally paid any more than behind-the-screen staff so maybe they should bring back that non-distinction.

Lastly, whatever your thoughts on the 3 points I raise we should all be aware that there are those in government who would do away with the BBC completely because of some perceived notion that the Corporation is politically biased (actually my belief is it's more to do with the 'non-commercial' bit in the Founding Chater, but that's just me). Notwithstanding the fact that the BBC has a world-wide reputation for fair and unbiased reporting it wouldn't take too large a controversy to resurrect the 'get rid' party and we would all not only be deprived of our beloved 'Aunty' but have to pay the blood-suckers Murdoch et al for all our viewing needs.
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1) To all you previous posters who have given us a lesson in the law surrounding recovery of unpaid BBC licence fees - pay up! (Unless of course you do pay but are extremely well versed in debt recovery law.) .
Maybe if the BBC's Watchdog Program featured the harassment/threatening letters and consumer rights that they are so keen to discuss in all other areas of business they wouldn't need to be discussed here.

This is not debt recovery (that is civil law) we are talking about criminalising people - mainly the poor, uninformed and stupid.

This is the 21st Century digital age if they can't use a tiny part of their enormous budget and renowned talent to work out a fairer modern form of payment system to replace the archaic system licence fee system then IMO it's their problem if people avoid payment.
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