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I have always argued for a mixed economy in which both the state and the free market have key roles.
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February 14th, 2018, 08:45 PM | #802 | |
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SanteeFats, we were on both sides - "dictarorship communism" or "people's democracy" and "Western democracy" or "dictatorship of interest groups". Both systems in both terms deserve quotation marks, for sure. But for us, Western democracy or dictatorship of interest groups was far worse. I believed that Russians, since they lived in harder conditions (I'm Yugoslav), would worship Western system in 99% of opinions, but actually that's the case just in clear minority. I understand when Czechs, Pols, Albanians or Hungarians talk about this with hate - they were under some sort of extremely limited-state-freedom, occupied by madman, and by someone's else decision. But that's not problem with socialism or non-Western-democracy-system as idea, that is problem with poor or misused performance/execution of it. For me... Nostalgia aside, I vote with sense of freedom, level of culture, my wallet, car I can afford, flat, quality of education, working conditions, health care, security... clean victory for people's democracy or communism dictatorship, at your will. Putin plays under Western-democracy rules, but with idea to achieve something closer to people's democracy results - that's how I think the majority see situation. And if he here and there plays rough, they see that as side effect of rules of game itself. |
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Even if man X is 10 times better worker than man Y, it is wrong to give him 10 times more money - simply, he can't drive 10 cars in same time, live in 10 houses, or live 10 times longer. It's one and only life for both, and if they efforts are similar - they paychecks must be at least comparable. That's logic of socialism... Not perfect, but best I heard for. Last edited by ponky; February 14th, 2018 at 09:18 PM.. |
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State communism dragged a feudal society from 200-300 years ago forward in 50 years. There are theocracies today which still haven't made it to 1900. I with you on the mixed concept, but wouldn't underestimate how fragile it is. |
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Beside that, Lenin (except up to 1921) and Stalin were not communists, or at least not ever anything near to good ones. Their works qualifies them as just dictators. |
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As a a philosopher, I am here to tell you that the philosophical, hence legal and moral, underpinnings of capitalism are based on very dubious assumptions. I am convinced that historically private property arose from bandit tribes divvying up the spoils of conquest. |
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Friedrichs Engels dedicated an entire book to this topic, The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, published in 1884. He was influenced by the work of American anthropologist Lewis Henry Morgan, particulatly his first publication, Ancient Society (1877).
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Russian mathematicians, physicians, chess players were among the best in the world. When Capitalism tended to praise stupid games, wasting energy, making money on life casino (or real casinos) or such stupidities. I'm born and was raised in one of the most capitalist countries in the world and I can tell you, Capitalism viciously promotes greed and contributes to let a part of the people in the lowest social class. Look at the popular cultur today. It's pure decadence. Why almost all the greatest scientists get doubts about capitalism? Because they know that only tend to one goal... becoming rich without caring at the limited ressources of our planet. I met quite a lot of scientists, I rarely, rarely heared them telling that "free market" was good for the future. According to American and European studies made during the end of the 80's, do you know how many people can live on Earth with the Occidental standards without exhausting the natural ressources? About 700 millions. The Occidental way of life is unbearable for the humanity. Look at the composition of our European governments, rightist often are lawyers, businessmen, when leftist mainly are scientists. That's the fact in Switzerland. When I met Swiss leaders of the Green party, they all were mathematicians, physicists, biologists and one was a lawyer. When I met Swiss liberal politicians, they all were lawyers. Last edited by Roubignol; February 21st, 2018 at 09:23 AM.. Reason: changed physicians by the word physicists |
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The thread for the rest of the week should be called "Questions for our VEF members from Russia".
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