Ben Dover discussion thread

[m100]

funnily enough the dawn phoenix one might have been the first I saw or the one on a boat with hayley russell. I know it was roughly one hour taped on the end of something else by a bloke down the market.

[buttsie]

Originally Posted by pharoahegypt

This is where I started to lose hope and interest in the titling of his movies. Having been running illegal sex shops at the time he released the first movie, Ben Dover #1 (aka Pure Cheek) then followed it through a bizarre numbering where some were missed out, only to then see supposed new 'named' titles then appear but with same scenes by the end.

IIRC ... Numbers went ... 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,17,19,21,23,25,27 ...?

IIARC ... The re-titling was purely for the US market, as was making them 4 scenes each as opposed the 3 scenes each for UK under the counter release.

Ben had always seemed overly obsessed by girls doing anal, which with hindsight now makes sense. Strange though how some not very hardcore scenes made it into the videos at all; I could name half a dozen scenes that if it wasn't for the person in the scenes you'd leave on the cutting room floor nowadays?

What ever gimmick made them money they used

I recall when the purecheek .com site was running more than a few signed up expecting everything to be available only to find they were on a drip feed to conserve bandwidth/maximise profits.

In hindesight some of the set-ups were pretty laughable

Sexually experienced young girls pretending to be all innocent and inexperienced

Funniest thing was the non-cheerleading highly critical reviews by Patrick Riley that pulled no punches around late 90s early 00s who thought Marino and Ben were having a bromance - it got far worse even to the point of taking aim at the viewers.

The response on bgafd at the time was even more hilarious - outraged

As to Perry's methods, he suffers from the problems of all the old ruees who inhabit this level of porn: Ed, Randy, Frank Thring...they were all OK, even amusing for a while but now they're just dirty old--gray and old in Perry's case--men having a bit of prostitution type sex which we pay for.

Like Stagliano in his heyday, Perry drools over the girls--you'd think he was a 15-year-old having his first glimpse of pussy--totally unjustifiably, and then proceeds to arrange and sometimes participate in a scene that is part-Anabolic with its emphasis on "just the meat" and part-Witrock with some silliness about the girl enjoying the sex or being just a wanton whore. Grow up, guys--and that refers to the viewers of this type of movie too.

Bds his end up review
2000--VCA
http://www.rame.net/reviews/misc/3673.html

List of BD films with alternative numbers listed
http://www.iafd.com/results.asp?sear...ring=ben+dover

[pharoahegypt]

This was the Darcey I was referring to earlier....

Most of the points you made Buttsie I'd agree with totally; but the one small caveat to that is that while Mr Perry may believe we're paying for him to shag young fit ladies, I like most haven't paid for any of his porn.... If I see a scene I want to see again I just get it through a streaming site.

He asked through another face at the time; Vinnie Curran; to use a shop I was running over in Northampton for a scene, but we could never arrange a time or day suitable, as it would mean me having to stay over for a couple of hours after the shop was shut. No decent proprietor was going to let filming get in the way of daily sales... lol.

[m100]

Originally Posted by pharoahegypt

This was the Darcey I was referring to earlier....

Most of the points you made Buttsie I'd agree with totally; but the one small caveat to that is that while Mr Perry may believe we're paying for him to shag young fit ladies, I like most haven't paid for any of his porn.... If I see a scene I want to see again I just get it through a streaming site.

I just had a quick count up being ridiculously organised and I reckon I've paid for 60 of them one way or another. Either direct from shops or my mate bringing them back from holland where he used to work a few times a year or through my old brazzers membership (there were a lot of old vca licensed titles in their bonus section to download - to be honest the bonus section was the reason i kept my membership for a couple of years).

[pharoahegypt]

I had a mad spate of subscribing to a few well known sites earlier this year, just to go through their archives to find full versions of teasers I had from streaming sites. Joined Netvideogirls, LANewGirls, & Exxposers, just to grab the videos I wanted, then let my subs end.

I had a long running request here for a Tamara Promotions video of a girl called 'Toyah' fall on deaf ears, but found the full version on Exxposers; the name Tamara uses now; so it was worth the money just for that one clip.

I found that the other two sites though are now just rehashing the same shite, or moving into the sex scene too quickly; and I've always liked a bit of story, or at least tease first. Hence why the earlier BD stuff was more fun than the latter stuff now.

[m100]

Although there's a lot of them labelled 2005 so you never know which is which chronologically really then in my head I always picture this as the last of the great ones

http://bgafd.co.uk/films/details.php/id/b01167

Then you get some of what falls into your description, followed by "the bluebird period" where it becomes porn by numbers and then I don't know what we could class the more recent stuff as. Although I've seen two of them, the like father like son series is poor (with the exception of the lena franks scene - just because it's her).

[pharoahegypt]

Here's a confusing thing with bgafd; where their description is very different to the original movie I remember; and I remember it well as I had a thing for welsh sauce pot Sian back then. She was also supposedly working in a top Cardiff massage parlour between shoots, so if she took your fancy you could go fulfill your desire... though I never went that far for a shag, not even with her. (wish i had have done though)

Amanda (Amanda Palmer, brunette, Scouse, car mechanic, facial)
Sian Evans (strip and solo masturbation)
Roseanna Melendez (West Indian, DPP, anal, DP, facials)
Sian Evans again (facial)
Sam from volume 5 is receptionist

Neither in my memory or in my original VHS of this one did Sian do a strip & solo masturbation?

Marina Curran, whose name also appears in the cast list did however do a scene that would fit this description?

The Sian scene was sadly another letdown for our friend Steve Thorpe.... Though the movie was saved greatly by the storming scene of Amanda Palmer... with some random stud that was likely her boyfriend?

I think they did the same in another one with Hayley Wallace, where the stud appeared only for her scene then never again to my knowledge.

[m100]

I just dug out the sian scene as i couldn't really remember her. I have it on something called Ben Dover's 9th just look at this for a chaotic repackaging

http://bgafd.co.uk/films/details.php/id/b00065

Who is supposed to be able to keep up with that. It's like rock bands tagging one song you don't have onto a greatest hits package just so you'll buy it again.

[pharoahegypt]

Scenes from 3 different original titles making up the new one...? No wonder I was getting confused again!

My report above was all from the blurb on BD#7 (the original numbered series)

[m100]

Anyone getting remotely close to what has been repackaged from where deserves some kind of award. I should have said before that nearly all his bluebird output is availabe, legitimately because they have put it on their channel, on P...hub.