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Old 05-20-2017, 03:53 PM   #581
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Any more weeks like this, and it won't matter whether one considers these news stories fake or not - he'll be a dead man walking.
I think he's an ineffectual President walking already. He's losing the confidence of his Republican mainstream base. With mid-term elections approaching, Republicans in the Congress will likely abandon Trump if they feel it's politically expedient to be reelected. The fringe voters will never abandon him because they see him as the best chance of realizing their more extreme goals. But the fringe doesn't carry districts on their own, they need mainstream Republican support as well for that.

Trump is not and never has been someone who roll's up their sleeves and tackled problem solving them self. He's the boss, the face man. He sits at his desk, pushing his red button to be brought a Coke, and hires people to solve the problems. If the problem isn't solved in what he considers a timely manner, they're fired and someone else is tasked with that responsibility. Rinse and repeat.

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Old 05-21-2017, 07:06 PM   #582
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Then you are SOL. As a registered Democrat, I am forced to admit that the party seems incapable of formulating rational and coherent ideals. The PC crowd recently got their panties in a wad (knickers in a bunch? or is it twisted?) when Nancy Pelosi stated that religious liberals belong in the party despite having moral objections to abortions.
Progressives were upset that the party keeps reaching out across the aisle while ignoring the concerns of their base voters (working class and younger voters). This was the exact strategy for the last couple of election cycles and turnout has dwindled and the loses have accumulated as a result. So why keep on this same path. It would make far more sense to take care of your base then start reaching out to the other constituents.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ne...rticle/2623755
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...-shot-dead-dc/

Would be interesting to see this story developed. If a dissatisfied Bernie supporter leaked it rather than the Russians, would it matter?
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Old 05-21-2017, 08:34 PM   #584
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If a dissatisfied Bernie supporter leaked it rather than the Russians, would it matter?
Hell yeah it matters.Think about it like this. If it was the Russians it gives them more coverage to attack organizations like wikileaks, and enact laws attacking press freedoms. If this was an inside job that coverage disapears. I am not surprised they are not trying to cover this in any substantive way and they are trying to frame it as a conspiracy theory not to be taken seriously.
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Someone else has come up with a good explanation for the C-in-C's actions:

A commander in chief without command of sel

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There are serious arguments to be made about the moral bankruptcy of Trumpism, with particular attention to its divisiveness, dehumanization and contempt for the weak. But let us, for a moment, set aside morality for effectiveness, as much of the voting public seemed to do last November. By this standard, how should Trump be judged?

The president could not hold up his end of the strongman deal. Trump is the advocate of power politics who knows nothing about the exercise of power. He is the Machiavellian prince — minus instinct, skill and strategy.
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Trump was accustomed to belittling and demeaning individuals. It is harder to do with institutions that possess a strong sense of identity and purpose — and possess contemporaneous meeting notes. Tactics appropriate to land-development deals were never going to work on professionals who weaponize information for a living. Trump’s foolish alienation of these agencies is at the root of every damning revelation that led to a special counsel — except those revelations made by Trump himself on Twitter.

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Trump has been a victim of his own troubled inner life. It is difficult to master others when you are mastered by self-destructive compulsions of revenge. “He who wishes to be obeyed,” said Machiavelli, “must know how to command.” That is impossible without command of self.
Leadership also requires the ability to critique the self — the kind of mental self-distancing that allows for reflection. A man incapable of blaming himself for anything is a man incapable of learning or changing. To adapt Helen Caldwell’s formulation, Trump is not above reproach; he is above self-reproach. This is a serious disability in a leader, who must be able to adjust quickly and adapt personality to reality.

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Progressives were upset that the party keeps reaching out across the aisle while ignoring the concerns of their base voters (working class and younger voters). This was the exact strategy for the last couple of election cycles and turnout has dwindled and the loses have accumulated as a result. So why keep on this same path. It would make far more sense to take care of your base then start reaching out to the other constituents.
A) Politics is the art of the possible. Hence, the middle of the road is where deals are going to get made.

B) The progressives are in the same boat with the Democrats as the conservatives are with the Republicans. Both are frustrated with party leaderships, but where are they going to go? The African Americans, progressives, and young people stayed home in November and now we are all suffering for their irresponsible and childish behavior.

C) If progressives wish to pull the country leftwards towards where the polls indicate the true center is, they need to organize and get out the vote in the red states. They also need to get behind progressive candidates in the primaries in the blue states and work unceasingly to fight gerrymandering. It wouldn't hurt to win a lot of jobs at the city and county level to prevent Republican election officials from putting their thumbs on the scales. (I'm talking about ballot boxes from Democratic precincts winding up in the Ohio River and "hanging chads" in 2000.)

BTW, California is lurching towards a statewide single payer system. Hopefully, this will be the first step towards a rational nationwide system.

Here are a couple of interesting articles.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-a...ndustry-2017-5

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...evening&wpmm=1

The Republicans want to cut back services to the poor at the same time as automation is eliminating millions of jobs. This is not really anything new. Millions of jobs for accounting clerks, secretaries, and warehouse workers have been automated out of existence. Whole layers of middle managers are long gone. Self driving big rigs are on the horizon. We really do need to improve our education system to address the disconnection between needed skills and what students are leaning. But even then, the current methods of divvying up the national income are socially unsustainable. Putting bright people on the street provides the leadership talent for a future revolution.

The Republicans plan seems to rely on killing off millions of the poor through starvation, exposure, denial of medical care and suborning drug companies efforts to create millions of opioid addicts.
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A) Politics is the art of the possible. Hence, the middle of the road is where deals are going to get made.
Winning is the best negotiation tool you can have. The other side is not trying to negotiate they are just trying to win and have their opponents come to them.

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B) The progressives are in the same boat with the Democrats as the conservatives are with the Republicans. Both are frustrated with party leaderships, but where are they going to go? The African Americans, progressives, and young people stayed home in November and now we are all suffering for their irresponsible and childish behavior.
Two things.
  1. Conservatives and progressives have the energy of both parties and it is only a matter of time before they fully take over their respective parties.
  2. Being that the voting blocs you named were the Democrats path to victory wouldn't it be the party and the canindate that was being irresponsible in ignoring those Blocs? At the very least it shows a disturbing level of entitlement.
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C) If progressives wish to pull the country leftwards towards where the polls indicate the true center is, they need to organize and get out the vote in the red states. They also need to get behind progressive candidates in the primaries in the blue states and work unceasingly to fight gerrymandering. It wouldn't hurt to win a lot of jobs at the city and county level to prevent Republican election officials from putting their thumbs on the scales. (I'm talking about ballot boxes from Democratic precincts winding up in the Ohio River and "hanging chads" in 2000.)
The party is going to have to stop fighting them and closing the election process to them. An increasing number of voters are registered as independents and the party closing the primaries may be at the root of the turnout problems in the general.


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The Republicans want to cut back services to the poor at the same time as automation is eliminating millions of jobs. This is not really anything new. Millions of jobs for accounting clerks, secretaries, and warehouse workers have been automated out of existence. Whole layers of middle managers are long gone. Self driving big rigs are on the horizon. We really do need to improve our education system to address the disconnection between needed skills and what students are leaning. But even then, the current methods of divvying up the national income are socially unsustainable. Putting bright people on the street provides the leadership talent for a future revolution.
Some variation of this plan is being played out worldwide. Labor and mangement is being squeezed for the benefit of ownership and how is that going to be sustainable is beyond my ability to comprehend. Austerity is just a breeding ground for reveloution.
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[*]Being that the voting blocs you named were the Democrats path to victory wouldn't it be the party and the canindate that was being irresponsible in ignoring those Blocs? At the very least it shows a disturbing level of entitlement.
I have no sympathy for a bunch of childish m*th*rf*ck*rs who stayed home. We all knew what the Republicans planned to do: 1) repeal the Affordable Care Act, 2) reverse Roe vs Wade, 3)make cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security 4) cut taxes for the rich even more. Trump promised to repeal the Affordable Care Act, eliminate federal housing programs, rollback environmental protections, pull out of NAFTA and the Paris accords, appoint a Supreme Court Justice to reverse Roe vs. Wade, and deport all the illegal immigrants he could get his hands on. (He also promised to work hard, "drain the swamp," no cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and that no one would lose their health insurance. He is a notorious liar. So, why the hell anybody believed him given his other promises and his campaign behavior, I will never understand. Talk about being plain freaking stupid.!) I have voted for a lot of Democratic candidates I disliked over the years, because I knew what the Republicans stand for. "Billions for bombs & not one cent for the poor."

The progressives need to GROW UP. Twenty somethings have an excuse because they lack experience. "Independents" and "progressives" in this country have handed political control of this country over to a minority party because they have failed to vote in all the local elections and let these sobs capture control of state and local governments, which has in turn allowed the Republicans to gerrymander themselves into more power, commit electoral fraud, and suppress minority turnout.

I am sick to death of a bunch crybabies whining about Hillary and the party leadership. If you wanted more say, spend the thousands of hours volunteering, attending mind numbing conventions and meetings, canvassing and polling, and raising funds that the party regulars have done.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
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Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn will invoke his Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination on Monday as he notifies the Senate Intelligence committee that he will not comply with a subpoena seeking documents.
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