The Best James Bond Film...

[marlon]

Originally Posted by hoyya

First: It's good we favour the same Bond movie as the best!

Secondly: Marlon and I are not talking about a REMAKE in the style of the latest Indiana Jones, making for example Dr No in a manner that it looks like a 60'ies movie.
We are talking about an up to date ADAPTION of a 50'ies story. This means a transformation of the main ideas of the story into todays postcommunism/asymmetrical war, world. AND a modern interpretation of the hero and the female role in an emancipated society.
As a provocation I would even ask: Why not letting play a woman the Bond character?
And for Dr No and Goldfinger there would be a lot of good plots in our globalized/financialy dominated world. I would say, there is a wide field open for new, good action movies!




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Hoyya, how are you? Long time since I spoke to you, hope you are well.

Agree with much of what you say, but a woman Bond? Hope you're being playfully provocative, if not you're going a bit too far.

In response to goldfinger especially his quote "Don't remake good movies -- remake bad ones" I agree, especially if you are just copying the original, but given some of the criticisms already mentioned regarding some of the interpretations (thinking especially of the Roger Moore era - I like Roger, but whoever was responsible for injecting 'comedy' into the role deserves the famous gunbarrel pointed at him) I think it would not be too hard to improve on them. I really did think, and still do, that it may be the long term plan. Given that they have started right back at the beginning with Casino Royale, showing how Bond starts his career and how his character begins to develop, the obvious course would be to revisit the original books and redo them in the style begun with Casino Royale - that's not to say that they will have the same titles, simply that the reinvention of the cinema Bond may use the threads of the original stories to make new(er) updated ones.

[hoyya]

Originally Posted by marlon

Hoyya, how are you? Long time since I spoke to you, hope you are well.

Thanks for asking Marlon, I'm well I supose you're well too?

Originally Posted by marlon

Agree with much of what you say, but a woman Bond? Hope you're being playfully provocative, if not you're going a bit too far.

It's kind of a mind opening statement, not meant completely serious. Sometimes you have to think the unthinkable to find the core of something. What was fascinating for me in the Bond novels as an adolescent-It was the danger, the hero and the sexual power, something you're very open for at this age.

Yesterday I watched some teenagers posing at the high-diving tower. Some boys made a header from 5m, then they went to 7,5m and jumped on the feet.
And then came a girl, went to 10m and made a header, she muscled them out with her courage!
Who is here the hero who faces the danger and who are the wimp?
In my time the boys would have made the header from 10m and the girls would have watched them with admiring looks. Times have changed and so the roles of the sexes.
I like this line spoken by Jack Nicholson in "A few good men" concerning women in militia:
"...promote them all, there is nothing better than a blowjob from your female superior."

In short: I like the Bond books, but I recognize that a commercially successfull adaptation has to reflect the time of its production.







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[40plus]

At the risk of stirring a hornets nest, I am of the view that both the Dalton pics and a couple of the Moore ones fall far short of the standard to be expected, and despite it's shortcomings, NSNA is better than either of the Dalton pics in my view.

Also, is TSWLM not a thinly veiled remake of YOLT, at least as far as the plot is concerned. Likewise DAD/DAF?

Sorry if this offends the purists.

40+

[pharoahegypt]

until the recent Casino Royale, i would have had a toss up between TMWTGG, GF, and TSWLM (first one i saw). But now its harder to decide. Do i go for the classic Bond style or the new and exciting 21st Century one?

While i hope the new Solace movie is as good as CR rumours dont sound too good, but then every critic and his auntie slated both the casting of Daniel Craig and CR itself before its release, and look how wrong they were about that..!!

a short question, and before anyone tells me off, no i havent read through all the previous postings yet. is this rumour true...? that while making 'chitty chitty bang bang' (another fleming book if im correct) the german actor gert frobe, aka auric goldfinger, hadn't learnt english so all his dialogue was dubbed? and im assuming he had learnt by the time GF was made...????

[goldfinger]

Originally Posted by pharoahegypt

a short question, and before anyone tells me off, no i havent read through all the previous postings yet. is this rumour true...? that while making 'chitty chitty bang bang' (another fleming book if im correct) the german actor gert frobe, aka auric goldfinger, hadn't learnt english so all his dialogue was dubbed? and im assuming he had learnt by the time GF was made...????

Absolutely no one here would 'tell you off' as you are among friends. A fair question -- CCBB was filmed after GF. Gert was dubbed in GF as his accent was considered too thick. The Bond films featured a lot of dubbed performances: Ursula Andress, Daniela Bianchi, Gert Frobe, Adolfo Celi, Tetsuro Tamba (every one of the 'classic' first few Bonds had a major character with a dubbed voice). CCBB was made after YOLT, Frobe's accent had tamed somewhat by then -- I can't find a reference to him being dubbed in that film (but it wouldn't surprise me if he was).

[goldfinger]

Originally Posted by Soft Pillow

The Spy Who Loved Me as a film has no connection at all with the late Ian Fleming.

Fleming insisted that, if and when TSWLM got filmed, the only part of the book that the producers could use was the title.

Originally Posted by 40plus

Also, is TSWLM not a thinly veiled remake of YOLT, at least as far as the plot is concerned.

No question -- there are dozens of similarities between YOLT and TSWLM; turn 'Little Nellie' into a Lotus submersible and it's the same movie.

[Greenman]

I am sure I mentioned it here somewhere but Ursula's singing was dubbed by British actress/singer Diana Coupland(also played Sid's wife in Bless this House comedy series)
NSNA better than Dalton's films? Oh come on, thats ridiculous they were ten times better than that-you knew there was something up when you got a character called Nigel Small-Fawcett(Rowan Atkinson), the ludicrous sex scene with Bond & Fatima Blush(Barbera Carrera), the dreary computer game which was so obvious it was painful what would happen, or the crass dialogue like "I do hope there is going to be some gratutious sex and violence Mr Bond" Even Q was changed to Algy for heavens sake.

Licence to Kill with Dalton is one of the best Bonds because it finally shows him getting beaten up and suffering for a change-this was toned down for many of the films and yet it got panned by the critics-still what do they know eh.

You know a number of you should consider joining the Bond groups in Yahoo-BondGirlsUnlimted for one(where I happen to be joint Moderator too) and you will also find a quiz by moi as well as loads of exclusive scans and pics.

[hoyya]

Thought I clean here up a bit for those who have not that deep expertise:

List of the Bond movies:

Not official
-Casino Royale CR I (Nelson, 54)
-Casino Royale CR II (Niven, 67)
-Never say never again NSNA (Connery, 84)

EON Productions by Saltzman/Broccoli
-Dr No (Connery, 62)
-From Russia with love FRWL (Connery, 63)
-Goldfinger GF (Connery, 64)
-Thunderball TB (Connery, 65)
-You only live twice YOLT (Connery, 67)
-On her Majesty’s secret service OHMSS (Lazenby, 69)
-Diamonds are forever DAF (Connery, 71)
-Live and let die LALD (Moore, 73)
-The man with the golden gun TMWTGG (Moore, 74)
-The spy who loved me TSWLM (Moore, 77)
-Moonraker MR (Moore, 79)
-For your eyes only FYEO (Moore, 81)
-Octopussy (Moore, 83)
-A view to a kill AVTAK (Moore, 85)
-The living daylights TLD (Dalton, 87)
-Licence to kill LTK (Dalton, 89)
-Golden Eye GE (Brosnan, 95)
-Tomorrow never dies TND (Brosnan, 97)
-The world is not enough TWINE (Brosnan, 99)
-Die another day DAD (Brosnan, 02)
-Casino Royale CR III (Craig, 06)
-Quantum of solace QOS (Craig, 08)






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[Greenman]

Those of you who want to comment on Bond in general and find some exclusive scans and pics consider joining the BondGirlsUnlimited group on Yahoo-you are more than welcome to make comments, post messages and pics and if you come over now you will find my James Bond Ultra Quiz running. We are up to FRWL. Type in BondGirlsUnlimited (all one word) and come and join in. Oh by the way I am co-owner/Moderator there and posted loads of pics already.

[Adam West]

Here's my top five:

1 You Only Live Twice (Connery)
2 For Your Eyes Only (Moore)
3 Thunderball (Connery)
4 The Living Daylights (Dalton)
5 Goldfinger (Connery)