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One of the advantages of pastoral farming IS that it can make productive use of relatively poor land areas where geography, soil fertility, water resources and climate render cropping a second best option-or even impossible option. |
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to attack you, I appreciate what you're saying, but the idea that force-impregnating creatures, keeping them in what are often torturous conditions and then slaughtering them before their time, and that we are somehow doing them a favour in this, is not a view I subscribe to (as you can probably tell ). Quote:
What is this land in question? Our much discussed nomads and their grazing cattle? How many of the 56 billion land animals that are slaughtered each year for food does this account for? I understand your point, that there is some land that is not suitable for crops, but it is suitable for grazing – but again, I say, a third of the world’s arable land is used for raising crops just to feed livestock. That’s arable land. Livestock systems account for 45% of the world’s landmass – I don’t know what percentage of that is nomads and their grazing herd, but I imagine it’s not a lot. Of course vegan’s choices wouldn’t be limited to soybeans and palm oil, because they aren’t now - but just eat soy in place of meat and follow your normal diet otherwise, if you want to look at it that way. I’m going round in circles here – a vegan diet uses 1/10th of the land that an omnovire diet does. Apparently you get 20lbs of edible beef per acre, but you 260lbs of rice per acre, 192lbs of legumes, and 356lbs of soybeans. Come to that, between a fifth and a third of all water usage goes on livestock, so just use that to halt desertification and reclaim a bunch of land. |
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I admit that there are farm animals who have a decent life, but they are few. 99% of the farm rabbits spend all their life in very small cages during all their life. The reality for a lot of farm animals is that they are treated between objects and slaves. If people would eat less animals, at least their life conditions could be improved. What would you prefer ? 1) Never to be born 2) or to live to be exploited ? Quote:
Your sister-in-law probably doesn't manage well her vegan diet. She probably eats too much sugar and not enough organic fruits, lentils, humus, quinoa. That's a problem today. Some people want to be vegan but don't know how to eat properly. They abuse of sugar. But on the same way... there are omnivorous people who have other dietetic problems, because they don't manage well their "omnivorous" diet too. But... in general sugar became a terrible problem in our modern societies. Our ancesters didn't consume the same kind of sugar and in less quantities. I suppose they consumed more fructose than saccharose and had not small hidden quantities added in all the manufactured food as we are used to buy and consume today. |
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The good lady and I had pan fried Porterhouse steak with fried onion and chips for tea tonight. God...melt in your mouth delicious! Ethics are all well and good, but the real reason I don't have it more often is because it's nearly forty bucks a kilo.
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That's a typical crap argument from a Vegan PETA type .... and I'll answer that, I pick number 2 At least I existed and did some good to someone hungry.
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I recently read the life of PETA leader Ingrid Newkirk, because here in Swizterland PETA is not important, we already have animal associations since decades. She seems to be a nice woman. The Maria Theresa for the animals. Quote:
Case 1. Welcome to my Estreeter farm. I'll cut your bollocks without anestesia, burn your ass with meltin iron, put you in a small cage during at least 6 winter monthes with 12 or 80 other guys like you and never give you a shower, you will spend there boring hours, days... several years of your short life. I'll cut one of your ears to put a yellow numbered badge on it, feed you with the same kind of food during all the remaining days of your life. If you are nice, I'll add a bell around your neck and put a ring in your nose to show you at psychopath people during exhibition. Or Case 2 Do you prefer to die in a condom ? So I give you a second chance. Case one or case two ? Be honest guy... be honest. Last edited by Roubignol; September 20th, 2018 at 01:48 PM.. |
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You'll be fair to me a bit rich coming from the member who just asked a question and I gave a direct answer, unlike another thread which I asked a member a question over and over and over and still can't answer a simple question directly as I just did with a 1 or 2 , I wonder who that could be Quote:
Why because you're a typical far left radical and my answer don't agree with what you want me to say I think you forget who you're talking to, like I've said before, I grew up in a semi rural community, have seen animals killed for food, for for control, euthanised, killed animals myself and have no problem with it, I don't enjoy it but have no problem with it. That said, I don't like a lot of the big companies and they way they treat animals, but at the same time understand it's natural for us to eat meat. My answer don't change for your satisfaction, like I said, if my existence was for a reason then so be it.
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But... maybe you are a masochist. These animals are bored when detained during monthes in farms. If there are people who would dislike to be deprived of their fundamental rights... that's clearly typical far right radical guys. |
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See, once again you will pick and chose what you need for your agenda, You're repeatedly suggesting in all kinds of topics over and over and over how we should live and morals and ethics, where as I don't give a damn what you eat ,but here's my point, Here you point out what our ancestors did Quote:
I actually eat a well balanced diet, I think you're brain lacks the right amount of protein, this here I guess nobody on the left or even far left ate or still eats meat Good Lord I've seen a lot of your comments on here but that one is right up there with the best of them with the fanatsy that goes on in your head.
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Me too. It's servitude of the ponies.
As always you send me on another way. I really dislike that farmers artificially inseminate animals to kill their children later. That's one of the worst form of parasitism. Veganism = the most ethical way to live his (her) life until his (her) death. Last edited by Roubignol; December 9th, 2018 at 12:24 PM.. |
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