President Donald Trump's Final Days...

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by charliels531

I accept nothing as portrayed. British intelligence has a very good track record for learning from their mistakes.

I can tell you that outside British borders, very few people think that the Novitchok story is a honest story.
We don't know exactly which kind of game is playing the British government, but it seems to be a dirty one.

One thing is sure, it's that in the Russian spy story, GB didn't respect the article nine of the OPCW. (Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) that was signed by UK and Russia.

Here are the first two points of the article IX (Article IX. Consultations, Cooperation and Fact-Finding):

1. States Parties shall consult and cooperate, directly among themselves, or through the Organization or other appropriate international procedures, including procedures within the framework of the United Nations and in accordance with its Charter, on any matter which may be raised relating to the object and purpose, or the implementation of the provisions, of this Convention.

2. Without prejudice to the right of any State Party to request a challenge inspection, States Parties should, whenever possible, first make every effort to clarify and resolve, through exchange of information and consultations among themselves, any matter which may cause doubt about compliance with this Convention, or which gives rise to concerns about a related matter which may be considered ambiguous. A State Party which receives a request from another State Party for clarification of any matter which the requesting State Party believes causes such a doubt or concern shall provide the requesting State Party as soon as possible, but in any case not later than 10 days after the request, with information sufficient to answer the doubt or concern raised along with an explanation of how the information provided resolves the matter. Nothing in this Convention shall affect the right of any two or more States Parties to arrange by mutual consent for inspections or any other procedures among themselves to clarify and resolve any matter which may cause doubt about compliance or gives rise to a concern about a related matter which may be considered ambiguous. Such arrangements shall not affect the rights and obligations of any State Party under other provisions of this Convention.

Did you read well.... 10 days.

Do you remember what happened?
GB government said: "That's probably Russia" and they gave an ultimatum of 24 hours.

Why 24 hours, when Russia had 10 days to answer and had the right to collaborate ?

[Mal Hombre]

Right to collaborate ? If You were suspected of murder,You would have no right to collaborate with the investigation of that murder..

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Right to collaborate ? If You were suspected of murder,You would have no right to collaborate with the investigation of that murder..

Treaties are treaties.
Don't sign them if you are unable to respect their articles.

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by charliels531

So you're a mind reader? The AP doesn't send "untrained or incompetent" journalists to Finland to harass your hero.

So was your hero lying when he answered the question, or today when he retracted his answer?

I watched his response quite carefully, and found it to be further evidence of his dementia.

Why so emotional?

Everything else you can take from this sober analysis.

http://www.moonofalabama.org

Btw, I would like to return to a neglected point. What did Putin mean by the $ 400 Million donation for the Clinton campaign?

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Right to collaborate ? If You were suspected of murder,You would have no right to collaborate with the investigation of that murder..

Why is Ukraine involved in the MH17 investigation? Obviously, the British government does not seem to have any kind of problem with involving suspects in murder investigation when it suits them.

[maildude]

Does Trump have a big mouth? I say, the man needs a bigger mouth than the one he has. Because he'll need it to fit all his feet into it. So, in summation, he also needs more feet.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

This at least is an honest and frank answer and if there is anything I do respect about Mr Putin it is the absence of bullshit. This man lies constantly, but is truthful about his agenda and his priorities

So your assessment is, he doesn't do BS, he lies constantly, but is truthful. Let's say I agree with you in part, my friend

[palo5]

Originally Posted by charliels531

neither of us will accept evidence from the other. I tend to rely on British intelligence and Reuters, neither of which is noted for "groundless Western accusations", since you seem to only accept Russian sources.

Not quite. I don't accept British intelligence or government information, because they make big accusations and big noises, and have nothing but supposition to back them up. If they had evidence, then I would look at it, but they don't. This situation is severely criticized by many of your own people, btw

So of course, I reject the accusations until the British get credible. If that happens, then we can look. Until then, I see nothing wrong agreeing with the Russian FO's rejection. But I don't automatically adopt the Russian line because it's Russian

[judy84]

I wouldn't normally comment on USA politics, but after all the media comments about Trump I invite responses to the following:


Trump cut corporate tax rates to European levels to compete. He cut illegal immigration to ensure jobs for Americans and raise workers wages (and also gave them individual tax cuts). He has correctly attacked the EU and China for protectionist policies and unfair trade that has taken American jobs.


US GDP now forecast to exceed 4% with record employment (including record employment of African Americans). Bet they're gutted they elected him.


The Democrats are losing their blue-collar base and are clueless about real working class needs. (clue: not transgender toilets!) The Hollywood elite only hate him because he has made it harder for them to employ and pay Mexicans minimal wages as domestic slaves to clean their mansions .....

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by judy84

I wouldn't normally comment on USA politics, but after all the media comments about Trump I invite responses to the following:

let's see if I can help here.

Originally Posted by judy84

ITrump cut corporate tax rates to European levels to compete. He cut illegal immigration to ensure jobs for Americans and raise workers wages (and also gave them individual tax cuts). He has correctly attacked the EU and China for protectionist policies and unfair trade that has taken American jobs.

who cares if everybody has a job but nobody can pay rent? yes wages are going up but when you factor in inflation it is actually shrinking. Trump's Crackdown on the undocumented has nothing to do with jobs but more paying back the private prison industry for the help that they gave him something Hillary would have done if she wasn't forced to give the money back also remember the build up at the border started under the Clintons.

Originally Posted by judy84

US GDP now forecast to exceed 4% with record employment (including record employment of African Americans). Bet they're gutted they elected him.

again I'm going to say this who cares if everybody has a job but they got to live out their car because they can't afford to pay the bills. also so what if GDP is going up 4% workers share of profits is steadily dropping. So worker's plight is still getting worse.

Originally Posted by judy84

The Democrats are losing their blue-collar base and are clueless about real working class needs. (clue: not transgender toilets!) The Hollywood elite only hate him because he has made it harder for them to employ and pay Mexicans minimal wages as domestic slaves to clean their mansions .....

it was actually part of the democratic strategy to turn it back on labor also add minorities in the Young doesn't matter fact around 70% other young want to start another party because neither one now is willing to represent them. If you understand that right now the two party system is fighting over money instead of votes you'll understand why they are going in the direction they are going.

[HugoHackenbush]

What is truly puzzling about the summit with Putin is how out of character Trump's behavior was. We've all seen the Trump playbook.

1) Insult your opponents, even when they are your allies.
2) Make demands that unilaterally favor Trump.
3) Declare a monumental victory, even when your allies dispute what you've said is true or accurate.

We saw this at G7, North Korea and NATO.

Yet Trump gets all kissy face with Putin, says absolutely nothing bad or critical of Putin, rolls over and plays dead on the issue of Russian interference, suggesting a "joint investigation", and basically treats the indictment of 12 Russian citizens as a non-event.

Where is the belligerent, insulting Trump that we saw on the campaign trail, and recently at three summit meetings?

Nowhere.

Russia must have something on Trump. I'm not talking the "pee tape" or consorting with prostitutes. Stormy Daniels has taken all of the sting out of that. Either he is in deep financial trouble with the Russian banks, or his constant obsession with repeating that there was "no collusion" means that there was, and he's really worried about it.

Trump. Putin America first.