The Difference Between Todays Movies and Vintage Movies

[riteman]

A couple more quick comments. There was great underground UK porn as early as the later 50s. Magazine sjops in Soho used to sell them but the price of one pound for a set of just 5 postcard photos was steep. I think of this sometimes when finding a dex with several thousand such pics.

Re the facials as they've evolved, to each his own. I personally only find these arousing when they come about as a result of the woman's stimulation, whether via vagina or anus, mouth or hand. If a guy has to pull out to show the shot, it's natural that he'll grab his dick once he has reached the point of no return so that's acceptable. But this current thing of the guy stopping whatever he is doing to stand over the female and jerk off for a couple of minutes is (for me) just pitiful. And that's what we have to see in more than 90% of movies now. And the women have to pretend they enjoy it. It's completely different than if a woman is giving a BJ and stops when it naturally shoots, landing wherever it may - including the face.

As for the bandwagon, hand jobs were tough to find a few years back. Now there many commercial sites but the usual repetition and lack of imagination, often with the guy taking over at the end. Go to somewhere like Tugjobs and you'll see that every movie is jusy about identical. Many so called HJs take place with the femme holding it an inch away from her face throughout the movie. I thought the 'glory hole' was one thing that had to show femme induced ejaculation. But no, I saw the dick suddenly disappear and return a little later to unload on her face. So everything has to lead to a facial. The only hope if one is interested in these 'niches' is the amateur sites -- although just about everyone there is shaved too by now. What a drag.

[mrhairsuit]

I'd have to agree that shaving the pubic area has probably been accelerated by the skimpier bathing suits. I remember seeing girls in the late sixties and early seventies who had bikinis that were still pretty full fabric by today's standards. Although from time to time as it was summer and we were all at our respective summer homes, I remember some of the girls showing a little fur starting to grow down their thighs. They usually bathed in the lake, so there was more chance for a few days growth to show up, since they didn't dare shave in public.

I too remember going to strip clubs in Toronto in the Mid to late 70's and a shaved pubic area was a novelty and to that end it was a bit of a turn on, but i still preferred the full bush, then and now. In fact, I'd say that in most strip clubs in Toronto, shaving wasn't really rampant until about the early 90's and then all hell broke loose and it has moved to the point where there are virtually no bushes to be seen at a club, save for a landing strip. To the point of some of the women getting permanent laser hair removal

I guess shaving did provide a clearer view of the inner body parts, but to me, opening the curtain to discover what lies beneath is all part of the visual pleasure. Perhaps the pendulum will swing back as women get tired of shaving, or at least we can hope for middle ground where there is a good mix. Hairy woman web sites seem to be on the rise.

As far as facials are concerned, I have to agree that they are so much better when the woman actually works the guy to a climax and even hotter when she takes the load to a swallow.

[doyle]

Margib, you made an excellent observation about Aunt Peg, Desire Costeau, etc.
all sporting scarves. In my hormone befogged state at the time, I never noticed
this, but you're right. I don't know why. Perhaps it was personal taste among the
girls themselves (made them feel "classy"), though usually a scarf around the neck
is used to hide turkey neck - time & tide & all that. Though God knows, there were no
turkeys lurking around Desiree.
In the mid eighties, there was a brief fad for girls wearing white aprons front and back,
over their shorts - a sort of modified skirt. It probably came from the fact that so many
girls worked as waitresses, and not just in porn either.

[rachelx]

Originally Posted by JackieMonroe

every industry is basically over. Tv, Sports, News, Porn etc.
Capitalism turned Fascist. all of the suits making decisions with the corporations.
what a bunch of Bozo-jerk-offs.
they even managed to screw up the Porn Industry. who would have ever thought this?
pretty sad when most guys under 35 are scared to death to look at a hairy bush, due to being brainwashed.

Capitalism turned facist?

So the porn industry is run by facists? They must be some pretty liberal facists, eh?

Get real. What capitalism gives you is the freedom to have a choice. Don't like the choices on offer? Then you have the freedom to invest a few bucks of you *own* money and make the movies *you* like. With some cheap gear and a basic home computer--provided by capitalists--almost anyone can make a movie. It's never been cheaper or easier. Think about what the pioneers in the industry had to put up with: high equipment, production and distribution costs, as well as the danger of police prosecution.

Capitalism isn't the problem. It's people moaning about the current state of affairs and not having the motivation to do anything about it that's the problem.

[Swiss T]

Just a quick one about the scarves worn by certain female artists, I read somewhere that they did the scarf thing to show which director or maybe studio (my memory fails me) had made the film or loop etc. Anybody can add some info to this ? I used to think it was to hide scars and stuff.

[riteman]

Probably one producer. I think they were in many, many Swedish Erotica and also 4 Play video. It doesn't bother me as much as the piercing and tatoos though.

The worst aspect of that era, particularly in US shoots, was a cut to the guys face for an exaggerated oscar-winning performance. By the time the camera returned to the area of action, the ejaculation was half over and the momentum for the viewer was lost.

[Jack1956]

For me the difference is in attitude and access. The attitude now is that it is a 'career' and girls everywhere must look almost identical. Most have got more muscle that the men in porno did back in the day ! All are shaven (what looks more stupid than shaped pubic ?), often have piercings which I personally find revolting and even worse are often plastered with tattoos. The acting is fake and the men and women in it seem to have as much make-up and hair gel on as each other. There are only so many scenarios you can have with a porn film : after all we want to watch sex and the more erotic the better. This forum celebrates the girls pictures and films that in previous porn times, had a far more individual and naturalistic look and feel about them. Hair (on the head as well as pubic), clothes and even the sex had a more fun and natural aspect to it that mirrored the contemporary society. But any part of the leisure and entertainment industry will always do that anyway. Todays porn has a bland universally dull conformity about it that simply doesn't 'do' eroticism.

The other problem I believe is access. Look at wonderful internet places such as this forum. It gives fans like me access to long forgotten classic names and films. But the internet must be 80 % porn. It is everywhere and for me there is simply too much of it and far too much is of a type that I find abusive, offensive and distasteful. Porn is becoming more socially normative and acceptable. When that happens, you can be sure the fun and excitement will quickly disappear. Watching 70s and 80s porn was a furtive, exciting experience that matched the same sort of forbidden sex we had with our girlfriends in cars, alleyways or on the sofa when everyone had gone to bed ! There was certainly a lot more anticipation about watching them then there would be watching new porn.

Life is great for many things now. But the music I grew up with in the 1970s is still better for me than modern pop. I drive a boring modern saloon car. But for high days and holidays we have a pagoda roofed Mercedes SL250 from 1970. And you cannot beat the original Star Trek, wobbly sets and joke monsters included !

So in my view it is the comparison is between the fake and the real and the dull and the exciting.

By the way I take the points about pubic hairlines and underwear/swimwear but some women (my wife) have lovely natural bushes that have always had to be at least trimmed for public displays on beaches etc !!

Hope this adds to the debate.

[margib]

Some very interesting comments, particularly Jack's summing up of the current position (excuse the pun!). What is coming across to me, loud and clear is that personal preferences aside (shaved vs unshaved etc) it is the monotonous repetiton of the same thing, over and over again that people don't like.

Sex is an activity that can only occur in a limited number of ways (if we discount the more extreme manifestations that are enjoyed by a minority) so the mechanical, artificial situations that have developed of late are more of a turn-off. What is often forgotten is that we all, men and women, respond to what we feel is erotic. It is eroticism that seems to have gone.

Maybe that is why vintage material is so interesting to me - it was then usually prohibited, so that made it immediately attractive, and certainly had a naturalness that modern material does not. I can't for example imagine that there are many men who routinely slap their erect penises hard against their partner's face - that seem to reinforce a submissive nature of women which I find is unacceptable.

In the earlier films I got the impression that the girls played submissive, but were at least equal partners in the deal and were just acting. Perhaps this is the case now. All I know is that the excitement of exploring forbidden territory has gone.

Over to you younger people!

Margib

[p666]

Concerning the pubic hair:

I´ve heard from friends in the USA that it´s becoming trendy again to h a v e pubic hair again(but not as wild as in the seventies). Same with moustaches.

Maybe shaved is mainsteam right now and hairy is avantgarde on the way to mainstream. Like every fashion, hairy will certainly come back to e certain extent.

[huachafo]

One of the more interesting threads; actually pubic hair is pretty indicative of how we perceive ourselves - it's one of the reasons we wear clothes.

None of us like to think of ourselves as animals, it seems (many religions prohibit the concept) - like bodily functions and breasts, public hair is a constant reminder of the fact that we are animals. We produce ornamental attire to mask this and create an acceptable image for our own view of ourselves. Collectively we reject any reminder of that 'animalness'. Sex, breast-feeding, flatulence, etc. are considered anti-social activities simply because they remind us of our true nature.

Groups, therefore, tend to create a kind of uniform clothing that's socially driven. The shaved muff probably falls into this category.

In ancient Egypt, where clothing was not really practical and nudity was totally acceptable at virtually all times, pubic hair was generally removed (but there were even trends to that). Thus, it may be that with more exposure of the human body because of fewer taboos in the English speaking world (Continental Europe was usually pretty comfortable with nudity) we now see more skin - more skin with less hair, that is. In the past, in many parts of the Continent people were more completely comforable with nudity and it was therefore more common to see body hair.

Further evidence of this concept is that some men today remove body hair - something not known in the recent past. Personally, being up close and intimate with shaved skin is very much like being similarly juxtaposed with a plucked chicken, save that the chicken will be much smoother. Proof positive that what's good for the chicken is not good for the chick.

H