Things Noticeable this week - Page 3021

**gordian_knot** · June 29th, 2017, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Obviously FGM is a whole lot worse,Male circumcision is still the mutilation of the genitals of a child usually a baby.It should not be allowed for any but serious medical reasons,Custom far less religion is no excuse for bronze barbarity.Being as FGM is a far bigger problem,That is why it's given such prominence.

An a non-Jew who was circumcised as a child, I can say that I've never regretted it. Obviously you don't miss what you never (knew you) had, but I'm perfectly happy it happened. Of course it was done properly by a surgeon and with the agreement of both parents.

**vinceprince** · June 29th, 2017, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gordian_knot

They are democratically elected by their constituents to our Parliament. If Sinn Fein MPs chose to take their seats I wouldn't like it but would accept it because they also have been democratically elected.

Don't DUP MPs have the same rights in Parliament as any other? Do you think it's right to say to voters in NI that their MPs should have fewer rights to take part in legal constitutional arrangements than any others?

DUP MP's can vote like just any other MP, so would any possible BNP MP.
And can make a any deal they like that's legal. (A court will decide on whether it breaches the Good Friday Agreement)
Doesn't mean that it shouldn't be criticised due to it's possible consequences.

I don't actually blame the DUP crackpots (they were raised that way), I am critical of the short-sighted judgement of the Tory 'Gov't' for making a deal with them and their blatant hypocrisy of criticising the future possible 'coalition of chaos' and attacks on Jeremy Corbyn for previously just talking to Sin Fein when he was not even part of any Gov't.

I'm not the only one, even progressive Tories like Heidi Allen MP seem even more angry me about it than me. I think many Tory women and Gay Tories also feel the same.

DUP MP's actually have far more rights and powers than English MPs. English MPs can't vote on devolved issues like Health and Education in NI. But DUP MP's can vote on these issues in England.

**Devius** · June 29th, 2017, 07:36 PM

A MAN has been arrested on suspicion of attempting to mow down a crowd of people outside a Paris mosque this evening.

Police said the man's motives were unclear, and that he had not succeeded in driving into the crowd because of barriers placed in front of the mosque.

No injuries were reported by police at the scene.

According to Le Parisien newspaper, the man said he had wanted to avenge attacks linked to Daesh that have killed dozens in Paris over the past years.

Source:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...Creteil-france

**gordian_knot** · June 29th, 2017, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vinceprince

I'm not the only one, even progressive Tories like Heidi Allen MP seem even more angry me about it than me. I think many Tory women and Gay Tories also feel the same.

Of course it's the done thing these days to shout down and vilify anyone who holds a different view to their own. Many of the DUP's views are what used to be the norm and may be again. Demonising people who hold views that are not currently in vogue is just as bad as demonising people in the past who held views that are now accepted as the norm.

**bloke57** · June 29th, 2017, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gordian_knot

Many of the DUP's views are what used to be the norm and may be again. Demonising people who hold views that are not currently in vogue is just as bad as demonising people in the past who held views that are now accepted as the norm.

It's not just that they "hold views". They actually wield real power and their outlook has been shown to cause real harm. Opposing them is not the same as demonising them - that's the whole point of democratic discourse.

Now we are seeing their power amplified to an unrepresentative level - because of the Con/DUP pact - and it is all the more important to ensure that they are held to account for views that most now find obnoxious.

**otokonomidori** · June 29th, 2017, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vinceprince

I don't actually blame the DUP crackpots .

It's the Orange Walk in Glasgow on Saturday - you should get the train up and tell these DUP supporting "crackpots" just what you think of them.

Here's a guy doing just that !!

**SanteeFats** · June 29th, 2017, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Devius

A MAN has been arrested on suspicion of attempting to mow down a crowd of people outside a Paris mosque this evening.

Police said the man's motives were unclear, and that he had not succeeded in driving into the crowd because of barriers placed in front of the mosque.

No injuries were reported by police at the scene.

According to Le Parisien newspaper, the man said he had wanted to avenge attacks linked to Daesh that have killed dozens in Paris over the past years.

Source:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...Creteil-france

Twas only a matter of time for copy cats on the other side get started. Can't say I am surprised or really upset. Makes me a bad man I guess or maybe just human.

**Devius** · June 29th, 2017, 10:27 PM

I recall a VEF member warned recently that with the populist mood in the UK at present, we could find ourselves one day with a government that would make UKIP look like radical lefties (sorry I forgot the thread).

Watching the antics of the Tories and Labour on the news today, I'm thinking that day is looking more likely...

**CARLTON BROWN** · June 29th, 2017, 11:45 PM

Rumours are circulating which seem to suggest that the Fire Service found a very large number of bodies/remains on the upper floors of Grenfell Tower that are clearly not residents. Perhaps this explains several police requests for help with identification by survivors and promises not to involve them in immigration issues?

There is actually quite a bit about a suggested cover-up of the death count already on the Internet. I really don't know what to make of it, but I wouldn't be surprised to find there was some truth to the suggestions.

**anothercustom** · June 30th, 2017, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CARLTON BROWN

There is actually quite a bit about a suggested cover-up of the death count already on the Internet.

People look for a conspiracy angle about everything and anything nowadays. The Internet is just one big playground for conspiracists.

June 29th, 2017, 07:36 PM	#30203
Devius Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's a London Thing.... Posts: 23,465 Thanks: 141,980 Thanked 228,143 Times in 23,501 Posts	A MAN has been arrested on suspicion of attempting to mow down a crowd of people outside a Paris mosque this evening. Police said the man's motives were unclear, and that he had not succeeded in driving into the crowd because of barriers placed in front of the mosque. No injuries were reported by police at the scene. According to Le Parisien newspaper, the man said he had wanted to avenge attacks linked to Daesh that have killed dozens in Paris over the past years. Source: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...Creteil-france __________________ "I've had it with them, I've had it with you, I've had it with ALL THIS - I WANT ROOM SERVICE!* I want the club sandwich, I want the cold Mexican beer, I want a $10,000-a-night hooker!"* Johnny Mnemonic (1995)

June 29th, 2017, 10:27 PM	#30208
Devius Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's a London Thing.... Posts: 23,465 Thanks: 141,980 Thanked 228,143 Times in 23,501 Posts	I recall a VEF member warned recently that with the populist mood in the UK at present, we could find ourselves one day with a government that would make UKIP look like radical lefties (sorry I forgot the thread). Watching the antics of the Tories and Labour on the news today, I'm thinking that day is looking more likely... __________________ "I've had it with them, I've had it with you, I've had it with ALL THIS - I WANT ROOM SERVICE!* I want the club sandwich, I want the cold Mexican beer, I want a $10,000-a-night hooker!"* Johnny Mnemonic (1995)

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June 29th, 2017, 11:45 PM	#30209
CARLTON BROWN Grand Vizier Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ruraltania Posts: 3,219 Thanks: 35,652 Thanked 35,608 Times in 3,210 Posts	Rumours are circulating which seem to suggest that the Fire Service found a very large number of bodies/remains on the upper floors of Grenfell Tower that are clearly not residents. Perhaps this explains several police requests for help with identification by survivors and promises not to involve them in immigration issues? There is actually quite a bit about a suggested cover-up of the death count already on the Internet. I really don't know what to make of it, but I wouldn't be surprised to find there was some truth to the suggestions.