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October 14th, 2017, 10:22 AM | #2551 |
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The people of Puerto Rico, and many here in the contiguous U.S., have a very different opinion after hurricane's Irma and Maria.
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Hillary Clinton: Brexit vote was precursor to US election defeat
Hillary Clinton has said the vote for Brexit, specifically false claims made in the EU referendum campaign, was a forerunner of her defeat to Donald Trump in last year’s US presidential election. During her interview for BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show, she said: “Looking at the Brexit vote now, it was a precursor to some extent of what happened to us in the United States.” Referring to “the amount of fabricated, false information that your voters were given by the leave campaign,” she added: “You know, the big lie is a very potent tool, and we’ve somewhat kept it at bay in western democracies, partly because of the freedom of the press. “Obviously there have always been newspapers who leaned right or leaned left and they kind of counterbalanced each other. But given the absolutely explosive spread of online news and sites that have sprung up that are very effective at propagating false stories, we’ve got some thinking to do ... there has to be some basic level of fact and evidence in our politics. Well, frankly, in all parts of our society.” The campaigns surrounding the EU referendum and the US presidential election last year were both marked by a slew of dubious claims calibrated to appeal to key sections of the electorate, as well as targeted social media advertising. Fingers have been pointed at the role allegedly played by Russia, but domestic actors are also implicated. Details: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lection-defeat So this month it's our Brexit vote that helped Trump win the US Presidency. Last month HRC, in an interview aired on NPR, said she "would not" rule out questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election if Russian interference is deeper than currently known. Details: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/18/po...ion/index.html Sorry Hillary - in my opinion, YOU fcuked up 2016.
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Michelle Obama scolds female Trump voters[
Former US First Lady Michelle Obama has lashed out at female voters who backed President Donald Trump.
"Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against their own voice," she said. Mrs Obama, who has stayed largely out of the political fray since leaving the White House, made the remark at a Boston conference. She reflected on the 2016 election as an example of staying true to her "authentic self". "Quite frankly, we saw this in this election. As far as I'm concerned, any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against their own voice," Mrs Obama said during a question-and-answer session at Inbound, a marketing and sales conference in Boston. Details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41421989 I've previously stated on this forum my liking for Mrs Obama, so I hope she will find HER voice to give a personal opinion about a certain benefactor to the Democratic party who is currently under a cloud (to put it mildly).... Otherwise won't she be betraying her "authentic self"?
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I voted for her husband twice, and considering the options I had in 2008 and 2012 I regret neither of those votes in the least. What Mrs. Obama is missing here are two points. 1) It wasn't a woman's duty to vote for Hillary Clinton, just as it wasn't the duty of previous Obama voters (regardless of race and gender) to vote for Hillary Clinton: it was Hillary's duty to win the majority of votes in the states where it counted. 2) The Democratic Party on a national level in terms of elected seats held was massively hollowed out while President Obama, the nominal/de facto leader of the Democratic Party, was in office. |
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Hillary blew it. Simply put, there are a large number of people being left behind as wage gaps increase and wealth is concentrated. People are scared because the status quo is no longer a guarantee of anything for the middle and lower classes. Trump exploited those fears and promised to make things different. Complete bullshit, but people bought it. Hillary Clinton has a long, long history of talking progressive juxtaposed by doing things that are, at best, centrist and at worst for Democrats, conservative. From her unelected tenure as "co-president" in the 1990s when she supported all those trade deals that further outsourced our manufacturing base to putting hundreds of thousands of police on the streets to cutting social services to botching health care to repealing consumer credit protections laws and the laws governing Wall Street through to her elected capacity where she voted for the 2nd Iraq War to her time in Obama's Cabinet when she advocated for the overthrow of Gaddafi and on and on and on. Her rhetoric has seldom matched what she actually DID when in a position to actually DO something. It has been a longstanding problem that far predated Brexit or Putin: she simply can't be trusted to do what she says she will. Combine that with a 2016 campaign that saw no grand vision for America beyond her being elected President and maintaining the status quo - which, as I mentioned, is now working for fewer and fewer people - you're damn right Hillary fucking blew it. She lost to Donald Trump. THAT will be her epitaph. She lost to Donald Trump even though she won more than 3 million votes than he did. It's one thing to lose a squeaker to Obama. It's another to have to run a hard race against Sanders. To lose to such a man as Donald Trump, even if you add up the totality of things like sexism, racism and populism, Hillary still should have been able to put Trump away by at least 10 percentage points...if only she weren't who she was and had the history of parsing the truth and being too clever by half that she has. I voted for her. Without hesitation, because it came down to mental fitness, intelligence and temperament. And on those qualities, the choice was never even close. However, it sure wasn't an enthusiastic vote. 2016 was a reckoning. A reckoning for the Clintons, a reckoning for America and perhaps a reckoning for mankind if Trump starts lobbing nukes at North Korea. And Hillary accepts none of the blame for this other than in a cursory, "I'm going to say it was my fault to get it out of the way so I can ramble on at length about Sanders/Obama/Brexit/the FBI/Putin/fake internet anti-Clinton news/WikiLeaks/the Obama voters who didn't do what they were supposed to and give me a coronation" manner. Not a surprise, because Hillary has never accepted substantive blame for any of her mistakes: it has ALWAYS been somebody else's fault. Yet I put aside all my misgivings about Hillary Clinton to one side and voted for her, because whatever one wants to speculate about what a Hillary Clinton presidency might have been like, I tend to doubt it would be one where the Chief of Staff and the Secretary of Defense have to privately collude amongst themselves to strategize over how to avoid having mentally unstable President Hillary Clinton start World War III because the North Korean dictator insulted her on Twitter. Last edited by Quackerson; April 7th, 2019 at 01:30 PM.. |
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I have hated the Clintons for a very long time.
I would have voted for a plate of shit over Hillary. So I did. Still would. As to getting into a war with North Korea, better sooner than later. I was mad at W for not doing anything. If North Korea gets missiles that can hit the entire US, what do you think they will start demanding? Not to be left alone to starve, that is for sure. |
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I have to admit, my favourite was Bernie Sanders (If I could vote in the US), and he was - so strange it may sound because of his age - the favourite candidate of the youth in the US. He interacted a little helpless with his slips of paper in his free speak, reminding me a bit at my physics professor, but what he was saying and how he was pointing at the open wounds of the US was making sense. In European measurements he would been called as a "boringly normal social democrat". So it came like it must have come, this proven idiot of "The Toupee" has been voted for president. :head-shaking: (I call him "The Toupee" because I'm sure it's the most significant attribute of his intellect). He simply repeated his slogan "America First" on and on and ignored the fact, that - for example - a lot of European multinational companies were producing a selection of their products since years - some for centuries - in the US. But a lot of the US-citizens have bought those foolish slogans. That's because his second slogan "Make America Great Again" only causes head-shaking - worldwide, it appeals to be only embarrassing. (And US - citizens: Not the majority of the voters does count in the presidential vote, the majority of the electors of the single countries does count !! ) So I think the last vote was an Anti-Hillary-Vote by the wrongly assumption of the Democrats, that her experience would be enough.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/bannon-bo...-election.html
There is a theory out there, that Bannon was not canned, but left the white house so he could go back to Breitbart in order to smear and attack those who president Trump considers disloyal and his enemies, (people who don't toe his line). The reasoning is Bannon will do the actual mud slinging, and the president can remain out of the frey and unsullied. He's not the one doing it, Bannon is. If that's the case, I can see it backfiring, big time. Say Bannon stirs up the deplorable's in any of the various state's upcoming elections, and they do manage to just barely nominate another Roy Moore, or even worse. They could lose the general election because moderate republicans, or rino's as they are called within the party, can't bring themselve's to vote for candidates who are too extreme for them personally. In swing states, Trump's margin was not that great, the outrage that got Trump elected could see a dramatic swing the other way once people get past the false patriotic flag waving and bellicose rhetoric to see that the average person, not a 3%er, is about to be screwed big time, while president Trump saves himself a lot of money. Didn't he say in the campaign that he would not cut Medicaid and Medicare? Didn't he say that the rich were not going to benefit from his tax cuts? Didn't he promise all these new high paying jobs as well as saving and resurrecting the coal industry? The answer to those questions is yes, he did. But he's going to renege on those promises, and screw the average working class American because that's what Donald Trump has done his entire life, screw average working American's to line his own pockets. As a side note, things are still so horrible in Puerto Rico after the hurricane, that many are leaving there to come to the mainland U.S., many of those leaving are doubting they will ever return. Those people are U.S. citizens, and once residing inside the U.S., not in the territory of P.R., they'll be eligible to vote. I don't imagine many voting republican. Last edited by hound dog; October 18th, 2017 at 07:45 AM.. |
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The breakdown of registered voters in 2016. 91.9 million did not cast a ballot (39.8%) 65.8 million voted for Mrs. Clinton (28.5%) 62.9 million Voted for Mr. Trump (27.3%) 7.8 million voted for other people (3.4%) It seems rather shocking that so much power devolves upon a man rejected by 72.7% of the voters. It seems odd that he would be hovering around a 38% approval rating in that 20% of those eligible have not registered. I am more and more becoming convinced that the United States has gone as far as it can with a federal government based on 18th century political thought and needs a reboot. Of course, those who are benefiting will fight change tooth and nail and have vastly more financial reserves than the rest of us. We have 95% of the bodies. This kind of change has historically proven to be bloody and chancy. |
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