[MTC] Abby Andrews

[deezer]

Originally Posted by effCup

Agnostic as to whom this is. Obviously matches Jackie McD but whether is also Abby Andrews I'll defer to others. Jackie's smile resembles Abby's?

I'm a bit at a loss here.This is a [PMT] for Abby Andrews, but the whole thread is full of discussion about whether Abby is the same girl as Jackie McD.
I also can't see that a final decision has been made at any point.
So, could someone please enlighten me?

[effCup]

Originally Posted by deezer

I'm a bit at a loss here.This is a [PMT] for Abby Andrews, but the whole thread is full of discussion about whether Abby is the same girl as Jackie McD.
I also can't see that a final decision has been made at any point.
So, could someone please enlighten me?

Your summary suffices nicely. Query became PMT but people expressed some doubts, and no-one has determined/no evidence has been found determinative.

I don't know and don't mean to sway anyone, but: I'd kept the Jackie McD-related sets separate simply out of caution, nested inside the AA folder. Dangerously ignoring detailed comparisons of specific features, but a "first re-impression" is that she has AA's smile. I could well be looking at it the wrong way. /shrug/

BTW, here & here have lost their content?

[Pepper II]

I personally think they're the same but I have no problem keeping them separate for now with a link in the first post of each thread to the other's thread. If we do this the id discussion posts should be placed in yet another thread which should be moved to the main id request section with a link to the two separate solved threads.

[effCup]

Originally Posted by Pepper II

I personally think they're the same but I have no problem keeping them separate for now with a link in the first post of each thread to the other's thread. If we do this the id discussion posts should be placed in yet another thread which should be moved to the main id request section with a link to the two separate solved threads.

It's of course your call, but I'm left wondering: what is the evidence that the model(s) are actually different?

Various people have expressed doubt, which is fine/good, but the next step is to ask: doubt based upon what? Are there any features that do not match? Moles/spots, what?

A two-year timing gap (I haven't checked to verify that, but it's claimed above) may or may not be significant.

A presence in UK mags. in itself does not seem that significant given how many US (&/or other non-UK) models appeared in same.

I know, it sounds like I'm lobbying for them to be the same but instead I'm trying to bring us back to mir process. A lack of evidence of any differences is not itself conclusive, but mir is sadly not always definitive despite our best efforts to make it such. I'm not trying to beat down the arguments of those who claim difference but rather to provoke them to make their cases as clearly/well as possible. I don't mean to deny feelings of doubt at all, but rather to try and progress from there to the next step: evidence?

[deezer]

Originally Posted by effCup

It's of course your call, but I'm left wondering: what is the evidence that the model(s) are actually different?

Various people have expressed doubt, which is fine/good, but the next step is to ask: doubt based upon what? Are there any features that do not match? Moles/spots, what?

My way is more like: I need to be convinced/sure they are the same.
Better to merge two threads than to weed out images/posts of a mixed up thread.

miri gave a good hint here, how to ID her, if the images aren't brushed:

Originally Posted by miri

Yep, note the mole near her left clavicle and the mole near her left bikini line

One additional detail: she has a small scar on the top of her chest below her throat.



I will NOT go through the whole thread to search for this, but maybe someone else will help out.

Btw, can someone re-up this images?

Originally Posted by effCup

here & here have lost their content?

[effCup]

Originally Posted by deezer

My way is more like: I need to be convinced/sure they are the same.
Better to merge two threads than to weed out images/posts of a mixed up thread.

OK, but evidence for similarity or evidence for difference, evidence is key.

Originally Posted by deezer

miri gave a good hint here, how to ID her, if the images aren't brushed:

One additional detail: she has a small scar on the top of her chest below her throat.

Mostly failing to find either mark in pics of Jackie McD, but maybe scar here?

Originally Posted by The Old Hacker

and here scar in one and perhaps both in other?

Originally Posted by Jism Jim

better res.

Originally Posted by maksushakov

Some pics of Jackie McD one can see a spot under her left buttock but I've yet to match that for AA. /shrug/

The scar seems fairly telling/sufficiently distinctive.

[deezer]

Definitely the same scar in your quoted posts and in this ones:

Originally Posted by redstripe83

Originally Posted by effCup

Shown in Darla Crane thread as Abby Andrews.

Originally Posted by Pepper II

Originally Posted by kcbdream

Not visible here, neither are the moles:

Originally Posted by The Old Hacker

Ravers 1,5 (1995)



Parade
Edition/date unknown, magazine had no cover and no copyright info inside.

All posts in this thread confirmed as Abby now, except the Parade and the Ravers images.

[Pepper II]

To reiterate:

Originally Posted by Pepper II

I think some of these images help to tie Abby Andrews and Jackie McD together. The double piercing of the ear lobe with the missing front stud and the general shape of the ears seem to be common to both girls. There's also no doubt both have piercing green eyes. Another thing in common are the prominent vaginal inner lips.

Originally Posted by The Old Hacker

Thanks for your post Pepper II. It certainly looks like the same model in both pairs of images here. The last two are especially convincing.

[deezer]

Ahh, yesterday I overlooked this bit:

Originally Posted by Pepper II

To reiterate:

But as I stated, I'm convinced for all images (because of the moles and the scar), except the Ravers and the Parade set, posted by The Old Hacker.

SFF now put up some unbrushed HQ slides from the Ravers shoot. In none of them, the mole near her left clavicle, the mole near her left bikini line nor the scar on the top of her chest below her throat are visible. Also, she has ear clips in the Ravers and the Parade set, which makes it impossible to say, if she has two studs.
In SFF's slide you'll see a few more moles, (two on the left upper arm near shoulder, one on top of left breast and one inside left breast) none of them are visible in any other image of Abby.
So I'm far from convinced that the girl in these two sets is Abby, especially not in the Raver set.

Originally Posted by SylviaFanFin

Original slide scan from my collection, have fun!
SFF
My slide collection is partially from the photo set this thread was started by The Old Hacker. I got slides from the UK and those came by the model name "Donna" marked by the photographer.
I noticed that my "Abby" or "Donna" is not in match with at least one, perhaps even two model in this thread. I tested that by offline and online image recognition tools and I am confident that there are mixture of two, perhaps three models here under the same name Abby Andrews.

[effCup]

Originally Posted by deezer

But as I stated, I'm convinced for all images (because of the moles and the scar), except the Ravers and the Parade set, posted by The Old Hacker.

In the sets that show the scar, etc., not all pics. show the scar, etc. In fact many do not. That could mean there's two models, but it could instead mean that for some pics. the scar is simply hidden maybe by makeup. And if it's successfully hidden for many pics in one set then why not successfully hidden in many or all pics of another set?

If I've followed you I think you're saying that Playbirds XXX as Jackie is AA, whereas Parade 03-? as Jackie McD is different? Yes, there could be two different Jackies but they are otherwise rather similar--nose, eyes, expression...