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[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by HugoHackenbush

Bellichick had a losing record in Cleveland. Brady could not beat out the immortal Drew Henson at Michigan for the starting QB job. Suddenly they get together and they're world beaters. Gee how'd that happen? They cheat.

The 49rs were later discovered to have cheated the salary cap after their Super Bowl run by keeping a set of duplicate books. They were fined and lost draft choices

BTW a NFL assistant coach coach found that an Oakland Raiders game plan for that day had been mistakenly left behind in a common meeting room. He presented it to the Head Coach who promptly tossed it into the garbage can, saying "we do NOT cheat". That Head Coach? Don Shula. And the Dolphins lost that day.

By all reports, Tom Brady works incredibly hard. Henson had way more physical talent than Brady, but there were Michigan players who believed that the coaches were starting the wrong guy. Belichick took 3 years to turn the 3-13 team he inherited in Cleveland into a playoff team but saw the squad regress in the midst of the drama surrounding Art Modell moving the franchise to Baltimore. No other coach has matched his 11 wins there in 1994 in all the years since then.

The whole salary cap was started to stop Eddie D. from stockpiling players. There was another case of the other owners whining and changing the rules because one guy kept beating them. Baseball changed the rules to screw the small market teams in the draft after Billy Beane and the Atlanta Braves kept making the playoffs with much smaller revenue streams and payrolls.

The other coaches and owners used to hate and bitch about Red Auerbach. Red did engage in serious gamesmanship. The visitors locker room in the Boston Garden was miserable. But Red Auerbach signed Don Nelson after he had been cut by two teams and every other team in the league had priority to claim him. Nelson was in the rotation for 11 years and helped the Celtics win 5 titles. They whined about Auerbach and traded him Hall of Fame players like Bailey Howell for stiffs like Mel Counts.

It is impossible to cheat enough to overcome well coached superior talent. Pittsburgh and Baltimore are 2 well coached teams with strong front offices who also overcome NFL gravity. Belichick has to be great to have out performed them despite poor draft position exacerbated by the league taking away draft picks. Really, this whole "They only win because they cheat" is loser talk. If you really think that's why the Patriots are kicking your team's ass, get on your team to learn how to cheat and not get caught.

Don Shula was a great coach. If he had been as ruthlessly competitive as Al Davis, he probably would have won more super Bowls.

[shah99]

NFL 1991



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[LaughingBoy]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

I don't remember Bill Belichick working for Al Davis or Bill Walsh, but I seem to remember Parcells pulling stuff like this, too. Two sayings: 1) "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying." 2) "It ain't cheating if you don't get caught."

Belichick has won his division 8 years in a row, 14 times in 16 seasons, and is on the way to winning his division this year. He has won 5 Super Bowls and lost 2 during that run. Except for Brady, the entire roster has turned over several times. The entire structure of the league: divisional play, draft, free agency, salary cap, and the physical hazards players face, is designed to prevent a team from dominating more than a three or four years. Nobody else has come anywhere close to doing this. He is clearly the best coach and GM the NFL has ever seen and it is unlikely that his record will ever be matched.

I am old enough to have caught the end of the Yankees winning 14 pennants in 17 years. I saw the Boston Celtics run off 11 NBA titles in 13 years. To this day, I really hate seeing the Yankees win and love it when things go wrong for them. I couldn't hate the Celtics because Bill Russell came out of Oakland's McClymonds High School and the University of San Francisco.

I understand that y'all are sick to death of watching Belichick and Brady winning year after year. All I can say is that it will all end within the next few years. Then the Patriots will go back to sucking like they used to.

BTW, isn't it fun when the Cowboys miss the playoffs?

I completely agree with EVERY part of this!

[LaughingBoy]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

Kudos to Laughing Boy.

My week easily could have been worse. It is shocking how vulnerable we all are to the whims of middle aged men in striped shirts. Oh, the dreaded yellow flags being cast on the field for mysterious reasons and with no appreciable consistency.

Thank ya!

I haven't spent a bunch of time watching games this season, but the officiating I've seen just sucks ass.

I don't care if you call it tight or call it loose but call it the same for both teams. The games tat I've watched aren't consistent for both teams. It just seems like the officials are going to call it to try and make the game close. Close means more eyeballs. I hate to say it, but it seems like the fix is in. But only enough to make the game close.

[Motorboater]

Look. I wouldn't have a problem with the Patriots if...

1) The Rams (my favourite all-time football team) won the SB, or didn't lose it in such questionable manner.

2). The Seahawks weren't so stupid in sb49.

3). The Falcons weren't so stupid in sb51.

Edit:

4) If ultimatewarlord didn't go for them

[tygrkhat40]

Week 13 Standings

Player	G	W	L	ND	Pct.	W	L	ND	Pct.	Wk W
LaughingBoy	192	131	61	-	0.682	13	3	-	0.813	3
tygrkhat40	192	129	63	-	0.672	11	5	-	0.688	2
Brian249x	192	128	64	-	0.667	12	4	-	0.750	3
ultimatewarlord	192	128	64	-	0.667	10	6	-	0.625	1
cardinalcary	192	126	66	-	0.656	12	4	-	0.750	2.5
will101	176	109	67	-	0.619	11	5	-	0.688	0.5
victor meldrew	192	114	78	-	0.594	11	5	-	0.688	1
Dropped52	68	38	30	-	0.559	-	-	-	#VALUE!

Kudos to LaughingBoy on win number 3!

[tygrkhat40]

Week 14 Schedule
Thu, 12/7
New Orleans at Atlanta
Sun, 12/10
Indianapolis at Buffalo
Minnesota at Carolina
Green Bay at Cleveland
Oakland at Kansas City
San Francisco at Houston
Chicago at Cincinnati
Detroit at Tampa Bay
Seattle at Jacksonville
Washington at LA Chargers
Tennessee at Arizona
NY Jets at Denver
Philadelphia at LA Rams
Dallas at NY Giants
Baltimore at Pittsburgh
Mon, 12/11
New England at Miami; Total points:

Good luck everyone!

[ultimatewarlord]

A slight mistake so I've fixed it for you.

Originally Posted by Motorboater

Look. I wouldn't have a problem with the Patriots if...

1) The Rams (my favourite all-time football team) weren't outplayed by the underdogs who were no-name on both sides of the ball.

2). The Seahawks weren't picked apart in the 4th quarter by the G.O.A.T. who overcame a 10 point deficit.

3). The Falcons weren't apart in the 4th quarter by the G.O.A.T. who overcame a 25 point deficit.

Edit:

4) If ultimatewarlord didn't support the team that beat the Panthers in Super Bowl 38

[Motorboater]

Originally Posted by ultimatewarlord

A slight mistake so I've fixed it for you.

Your post is a reason why people hate the Patriots.

[ultimatewarlord]

Originally Posted by Motorboater

Your post is a reason why people hate the Patriots.

I wield an awful lot of power in that case.