Holly Madison

[Count Dooku]

I agree with you for the Holly part, she said in her book that she didn't want to get a real job so she just traded sex for a roof, her choices.

The list, as I mentioned earlier, is next to impossible to verify unless you lived in the mansion or the person who was their pimp, but what caught me is some names, while some names are no surprise, some names like Lauren Michelle Hill, she was a known model before her centerfold but I found in several sources online that she met her husband Sean Michael Flanery while escorting.

[Count Dooku]

Jade Regier
http://elliottbayseattle.net/dillon/dillon.htm

[Count Dooku]

Another book just hit the shelves: "A Bunny Tells All by Stephanie Heinrich ", since she is in a good relation with Hefner, I do not expect juicy stuff.

[Count Dooku]

While not a playmate, she was in the Special Editions.

http://helpubookher2.com/100_CorinnaBlake

[muffstar777]

Count Dooku list seems to be spot on accurate.
Did a little research and found this

http://www.theluxurycompanion.com/pa...me&orderby=ASC

[LoveFemNude]

I think the truth lies in-between. Some of these ladies may have actually escorted while others may have had their names falsely used by one or more escorting websites. Even if the ladies did work as escorts I don't hold it against them. They are merely offering a service, not forcing anything on anyone. If somebody wishes to use their services it's up to them and others who don't want to have anything to do with them can simply ignore them. As for the moral implications of breaking commitment in a marriage or a relationship I have always believed it's the complete responsibility of the individual who is in the relationship. If a claim is made that a man strayed from his marriage because he had such a beautiful female escort made available to him then in my view it only shows that this man in question has a tendency to stray and does not value commitment. There is no blame on the escort who is only providing a service, a service that those not committed should be able to use without any moral obligations. So if someone claims that one of my favorite Playmates is a escort I might be a little taken aback at first but I still won't hold it against her.

Also I say is escorting any worse than being Hef's "girlfriend"? I have reasons to believe that being with Hef is much worse. He does not advocate safe sex. As an escort a woman is likely to earn more than the kind of money he pays to his girls. It's also possible that she can escort secretly while being with Hef will immediately put her in the limelight. As one of Hef's girls she will be a slave to his whims and fancies while as an escort she is more likely to meet people who look up to her. Effectively both are prostitution but I don't look down upon it. It's just a woman's own choice if she wants to do one or the other or both or neither and in any case she should have the right to make her own choice without having to answer to anyone else.

Note that I am not by any means saying that all Playmates are Hef's girls but there is reason to believe that a significant number are. There are some who should and would have made it on pure merit while there are others who wouldn't have succeeded if they hadn't done special favors for the boss (and others associated with him in various capacities). We can probably name a few of each kind with some conviction but there is no way we can make exhaustive lists of each kind. Then there are some who we know were associated with Hef and that might have helped their careers but looking at them there is no reason why they wouldn't have made it on pure merit. So all things considered those of us who love our Playmates and other nude models have no reason to stop doing so. Let's value them for what they gave us in front of the curtain because in most cases at least we do not know what really happened behind the curtain and speculating about it wouldn't be fair to these ladies.

As for Hef himself I know a large number of people who admire him but I wish anyone who has anything to do with him and his creation(s) would at least see the video whose link is given below after which they are free to draw their own conclusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-bphul72uE

[Count Dooku]

If you can convince a girl to get naked in front of a camera you can pretty much convince her to do anything - Joey Tribbiani.

Most late eighties early nineties playmates were strippers and escorts and that's how they came into contact with Playboy, some scouts saw them in a club, asked them if interested in attending a party at the mansion and the rest is history and that's Holly's case, she wrote about it in the book.

The problem comes from the way Playboy presents them to us, the girl next door, a potential wife, a pure virgin, the problem is that they are not.

These girls have no problem with nudity, sleeping around, having sex to get what they want, like any girl that go clubbing everyday, they were just at the right place at the right time when the scout saw them, if you have a problem with that Playboy and the playmates are not for you, move on, there are conservative and hotter girls out there.

[keats]

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

Most late eighties early nineties playmates were strippers and escorts and that's how they came into contact with Playboy, some scouts saw them in a club, asked them if interested in attending a party at the mansion and the rest is history and that's Holly's case, she wrote about it in the book.

The problem comes from the way Playboy presents them to us, the girl next door, a potential wife, a pure virgin, the problem is that they are not.

These girls have no problem with nudity, sleeping around, having sex to get what they want, like any girl that go clubbing everyday, they were just at the right place at the right time when the scout saw them, if you have a problem with that Playboy and the playmates are not for you, move on, there are conservative and hotter girls out there.

What basis do you have for this blanket statement? How do you know "most...were strippers and escorts"?

[Count Dooku]

Most of the SE models were strippers at local strip clubs and when casting calls came to town they took a shot at it.

The late Anna Nicole Smith was also a stripper before her playmate days, so was Kendra Wilkinson, others too.

Remember Nici's girls scandal, and Holly said in the book that at some point one of his girlfriends was pimping playmates.
There is also the Mark Yagalla debacle.
I know of others too, that's not my point.

My problem is what I said 2 posts earlier, how the playmate is depicted, a girl that every reader can have her as a wife, I've read online that a guy used to have a picture of Lisa Matthews at his office and pretending that she's his wife.

And I guess that is the reason of their downfall, young people nowadays do not lust after a picture in a mag, they want the girl, they go get the girl.

[Infidel]

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

The problem comes from the way Playboy presents them to us, the girl next door, a potential wife, a pure virgin, the problem is that they are not.

My problem is what I said 2 posts earlier, how the playmate is depicted, a girl that every reader can have her as a wife, I've read online that a guy used to have a picture of Lisa Matthews at his office and pretending that she's his wife.

I noticed that some posters here are pushing back at the idea of a playmate being an escort. Why is that so hard to believe? Because of the quote above.

PB has always found that beautiful next door type to pose nude. My "the world is not black and white moment," for PB was reading a quote from Terri Welles. She point blank said that the only way you are becoming Playmate of the Year was by sleeping with Hef. I was shocked. You mean someone as wholesome and decent looking Corinna Harney, Lisa Matthews, Cindi Wood, and the list goes on, actually let Hef bang them to become POTY?

What I constantly find amazing is what a girl you think is so sweet is actually capable of. If they would bang Hef for POTY, escorting can't be beyond the realm of possibilities either.

Rebecca Ferratti was part of the Sultan of Brunei's harem. I remember an interview she gave of the degrading humiliating lengths they would go to stay there. Woman have always traded sex for provisions. Either actual sex or the image of sex (posing nude) to get what they want.

I think the one and done types, like Karen Price and Justine Greiner, that did their minimum commitment to PB and didn't hang out at the mansion, can be put into the exceptions. But a playmate hooking for money, it's believable.