Holocaust:True Or False ? - Page 3

**SanteeFats** · 08-09-2014, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogerbh

Although the six million Jews the Nazis killed in WWII are well known in the west, the 10 to 20 million Chinese killed by the Japanese is a fact still not widely known. I don't think deniers of these murders will announce themselves either.

It is known Roger. The difference, not much of one I admit, is the Japanese didn't build ovens, poison gas showers, etc. they just shot, beheaded, buried alive, vivisected w/o anesthesia living humans, massacred civilians, etc. The Nuremberg trials get all the publicity but there were also the Tokyo Trials.

BinLadenSucks · 08-09-2014, 06:27 PM

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Hogans Heroes

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Originally Posted by SanteeFats

I thought that way until I found out that Klink, Schultz, LeBeau, and a few others were Jews, I can't remember which one but he was actually in a concentration camp!! They all said they had no problem playing Germans because they were made to look like fools.

That is so funny.

We had argued and argued with her for over 40 years and she still won't give up! She'll just leave the freaking room!

But I still do admire the passion she has for the WW II POW's

**Wendigo** · 08-09-2014, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by srksmeghead

It is sickening that certain people do not believe these atrocities happened,
probably the same people who believe we never went to the moon.

They are not really in the same league.
The Moon landing deniers actually do provide lots of evidence and whether we believe them or not it's an interesting conspiracy debate that has gone on for years.

Holocaust deniers are largely apologetic neo-nazi's who offer nothing of any value and deserved to be treated with nothing but sheer utter contempt.

**Joszka** · 08-09-2014, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BinLadenSucks

I kinda have a feeling that if there are any holocaust deniers among us, they maybe too afraid to come out of the woodwork. But if some do, I would still be respectful and let them say what they will.

Holocaust negationism in public is against the law in sixteen countries :
Austria / Argentina / Belgium / the Czech Republic /France
Germany / Hungary / Israel /Liechtenstein / Lithuania /
Luxembourg / Poland / Portugal / Romania / Slovakia / Switzerland.
Plus a few other countries with variant denominations.
Wiki.

So, if it happens here the forum could have serious legal problems.
And I'm not "respectful" with criminals.

**Wendigo** · 08-09-2014, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SanteeFats

It is known Roger. The difference, not much of one I admit, is the Japanese didn't build ovens, poison gas showers, etc. they just shot, beheaded, buried alive, vivisected w/o anesthesia living humans, massacred civilians, etc. The Nuremberg trials get all the publicity but there were also the Tokyo Trials.

The Japanese soldiers were probably more vicious than the Nazi's, they were sub-human when they invaded China
http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~kunliu1/Nanjing_Massacre.html

They remained vicious lowlifes during WWII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
http://listverse.com/2014/05/06/10-j...-world-war-ii/

The Tokyo Trials are here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...r_the_Far_East

I've read up a lot about the Japanese soldiers and scientists (sic) at that time, far too few were executed.
They were a nation without any honour at that time and personally I think events like the firebombing of Tokyo and the two atomic bombs went some way to address the balance of the shocking violence they spread all over Asia and they certainly have taken the sting out of the Japanese tail since.

**SanteeFats** · 08-09-2014, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Joszka

Holocaust negationism in public is against the law in sixteen countries :
Austria / Argentina / Belgium / the Czech Republic /France
Germany / Hungary / Israel /Liechtenstein / Lithuania /
Luxembourg / Poland / Portugal / Romania / Slovakia / Switzerland.
Plus a few other countries with variant denominations.
Wiki.

So, if it happens here the forum could have serious legal problems.
And I'm not "respectful" with criminals.

Where is this forum legally based? That has a huge bearing on any legal ramifications I would think.

Lord Of The Sith · 08-09-2014, 06:58 PM

I can honestly say this is probably the best thread I have ever seen on here. Unless you are Mel Gibson. Sorry, if I just ruined the thread. Eisenhower had the journalist and his own publicity crews take 1000's of photos and 100's of hours of film of the concentration camps. When asked why he did this he told reporters, "So NO ONE EVER forgets." My grandfather was a prison guard on Okinawa for the Army/Air core after the war ended (Many German soldiers were sent there.) He guarded many prisoners for almost a year after the war ended. The interesting thing was your average German soldier stayed away form the Totenkopf. When I was a kid one of my grandfather's friends was a Jew who was liberated and helped him in Okinawa with the prisoners. Both him and his wife had the tattoos on there left arm. They were kindest most wonderful people I ever met. This is the really sad part and it is two fold and many people kind of glazed over it. Stalin killed 11 to 12 million of his own people including Gypsies, Jews, Homosexuals, and anyone who disagreed with him. He was never tried because he was an ally. Finally, this is the saddest part. The Nuremburg Eugenic Laws were based on laws the United States had formulated back in the early 1920's. As were many of the sterilization procedures used on Jews in the beginning. The Holocaust happened and like it or not us Americans are forever a part of it. Forgive me, if I upset anyone, it was not my intention. I felt the additional history lesson was necessary. Mods if this post is over the top please remove it.

BinLadenSucks · 08-09-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Joszka

Holocaust negationism in public is against the law in sixteen countries :
Austria / Argentina / Belgium / the Czech Republic /France
Germany / Hungary / Israel /Liechtenstein / Lithuania /
Luxembourg / Poland / Portugal / Romania / Slovakia / Switzerland.
Plus a few other countries with variant denominations.
Wiki.

So, if it happens here the forum could have serious legal problems.
And I'm not "respectful" with criminals.

I had thought I heard of the laws in some countries, Glad to have seen the post. Think we might be OK depending on the website's location.

As Far as "respecting deniers". I personly don't. It's just that First amendment thing I get stuck with. I'll tolerate it as long as it doesn't turn to hate. Then I begin to lose it.

**otokonomidori** · 08-09-2014, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cicciobuki

Well, I can only hope the VEF is completely free of these negationist fools.

"Negationist" ?? Is that a word? It's a new one for me.

**cicciobuki** · 08-09-2014, 07:18 PM

Thankfully i haven't lost any family in the camps myself (one grandfather had been a POW though, and had to work in Poland on a farm).

I remember the first time i got into contact with the holocaust myself: it was in school, i was about 14 and we had to pair up and give a presentation in morality/ethics class (the class for those that didn't have religion class) on a self chosen topic.
A schoolmate happened to bring a book to school called: "Het boek der kampen" (the Book of Camps) and, though i was a horror film fan, i had never been so shocked in my life about what i saw. Me and my buddy instantly knew we had to take this topic.

That book was filled with very (very!) graphical photos, stories and anecdotes. I'll spare you all the details (i am sure most of you know them well enough)

While i have never seen the book again since then, it is still burned in my memory after all that time (and i know my buddy who did the assignment with me has the same)

08-09-2014, 06:58 PM	#27
Lord Of The Sith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 411 Thanks: 379 Thanked 2,435 Times in 385 Posts	I can honestly say this is probably the best thread I have ever seen on here. Unless you are Mel Gibson. Sorry, if I just ruined the thread. Eisenhower had the journalist and his own publicity crews take 1000's of photos and 100's of hours of film of the concentration camps. When asked why he did this he told reporters, "So NO ONE EVER forgets." My grandfather was a prison guard on Okinawa for the Army/Air core after the war ended (Many German soldiers were sent there.) He guarded many prisoners for almost a year after the war ended. The interesting thing was your average German soldier stayed away form the Totenkopf. When I was a kid one of my grandfather's friends was a Jew who was liberated and helped him in Okinawa with the prisoners. Both him and his wife had the tattoos on there left arm. They were kindest most wonderful people I ever met. This is the really sad part and it is two fold and many people kind of glazed over it. Stalin killed 11 to 12 million of his own people including Gypsies, Jews, Homosexuals, and anyone who disagreed with him. He was never tried because he was an ally. Finally, this is the saddest part. The Nuremburg Eugenic Laws were based on laws the United States had formulated back in the early 1920's. As were many of the sterilization procedures used on Jews in the beginning. The Holocaust happened and like it or not us Americans are forever a part of it. Forgive me, if I upset anyone, it was not my intention. I felt the additional history lesson was necessary. Mods if this post is over the top please remove it. __________________ Our perception defines our reality

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08-09-2014, 07:18 PM	#30
cicciobuki Vintage Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,417 Thanks: 39,456 Thanked 27,119 Times in 3,420 Posts	Thankfully i haven't lost any family in the camps myself (one grandfather had been a POW though, and had to work in Poland on a farm). I remember the first time i got into contact with the holocaust myself: it was in school, i was about 14 and we had to pair up and give a presentation in morality/ethics class (the class for those that didn't have religion class) on a self chosen topic. A schoolmate happened to bring a book to school called: "Het boek der kampen" (the Book of Camps) and, though i was a horror film fan, i had never been so shocked in my life about what i saw. Me and my buddy instantly knew we had to take this topic. That book was filled with very (very!) graphical photos, stories and anecdotes. I'll spare you all the details (i am sure most of you know them well enough) While i have never seen the book again since then, it is still burned in my memory after all that time (and i know my buddy who did the assignment with me has the same)