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Old 03-23-2017, 12:54 AM   #81
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Default Karen Price and Paula Dell, Muscle Beach Stuntwomen

I hope Karenís fans wonít mind if I note the passing of the Paula Dell, a pioneering Hollywood stuntwoman who, like Karen, got her start at Muscle Beach in Venice, California. Ms. Dell passed away at age 90 in January. [See her obituary in the Times.] A gifted gymnast and circus performer, Ms. Dell worked in films from 1963 to 1980, just before Karenís stunt career began. I imagine Ms. Dell might have crossed paths with Karen, and if so, she would have been an inspiration for her. The pictures of Paula at Muscle Beach are wonderful. I would love to see similar photos of Karen, if they are out there!



Also, Karen received a mention in a caption in Mollie Gregoryís new book, Stuntwomen: The Untold Story. Alas, Karenís story isnít one of the stories Gregory tells. And Karen was unfortunately cropped out of the photo in which she is mentioned.



Karenís husband, Danny, does appear in the photo, as does Nancy Thurston, who is quoted extensively in the chapter. Karen isnít mentioned in the chapter, and she must have been lower on the tower at the Chico State Fairóalas, too low to survive the crop of the photo, which focuses on Ms. Thurston.

Sorry this post isnít much about Karen, but PB hasnít given us anything new for over a year! But I might post another small tribute to Karen in a day or two.
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Old 04-02-2017, 12:47 AM   #82
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Default Another Not-So-Secret Secret of the Appeal of Karen Price

Karenís Expressiveness

Iíll never have a chance to know Karen as a person, but Iíve always sensed, from the expressiveness of her photos, the candor of her interviews, and her success as an artist, that sheís a person who feels things deeply and wears her heart on her sleeve. I donít think she could suppress her warmth, her enthusiasm, her passion, or her sensuality if she tried, and I wouldnít want her to try, because itís a joy to see her feelings bubble up, and to feel the joy they bring her and her fans. Itís not hard to imagine why Karen bruised so easily during her two-year stint as a PMóher openness and accessibility left her vulnerable, and she takes things to heart. A lot of what she had to deal with was unpleasantósomething Iíll always feel guilty about as a fan, since it caused her great pain and worried her at times that she was becoming an altogether different person than she wanted to be, ďhard,Ē as she put it. But what made it hard for her to be a PM is what made her an extraordinary PM. Her ability to connect with us emotionally, whether she performs an acrobatic feat or poses for a picture, is the key to her power. Sheís not just beautiful and athletic. Sheís captivating, because she can communicate her feelings with a simple gesture or a subtle change in her smile, and draw us to her.

I canít get enough of Karen having fun. Her smile is so genuine, her body language so eloquent, that we feel her warmth right through the camera.




But I love her other expressions too, whether sheís welcoming,




Inviting (a promise of things to come!),




Enticing,




Bold,



or Passionate.



Karenís face and body work in harmony in every shot to express and reveal her feelings. Intelligent and articulate as Karen is, she doesnít need words to speak to us. Her emotionality and physicalityóthe keys to her artistry as a gymnast and acrobatósay it all. Karen may never feel she made the right choice to be a PM, but no one has ever been more right for the part.

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Old 05-18-2017, 03:39 AM   #83
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Think these are new to the thread. Pretty sure Karen is the model in the top image from the (year not known) Hot Rod Show World. Other pics were found on eBay.


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These came from the Hot Rod Show World magazines. Flickr site had all the years' covered, but were sadly missing some of the pics I knew were of Candy Loving in the '80 mag. Nice that the images at the site were all 4-7MB in size.

http://filefactory.com/folder/e826914d3b82a12a


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Happy birthday to the perfect Playmate Karen Price.
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Default Why Was Karen Price Still Making Public Appearances as a PM in 1984?

I hope fellow VEF members don’t mind me writing now and then about Karen. Hers is the second most visited Softcore Models Discussion thread—coming up on 200,000 views—so I hope I haven’t worn out my welcome, having made most of the posts myself. The lack of new material from PB is a problem, and I worry that the PM threads may lose support over time as a result. But Karen’s are still going strong, so I thought I’d try to do my best with the new material we have from other sources. And do please chime in—I know many of you have thoughts about Karen. It would be great to have a real discussion!

Thanks to UTube, we have more newspaper articles and appearance ads for Karen. One interview new to VEF helps us better understand how Karen became a PM and her feelings and experiences in her first months as a PM (I’ve written about that interview in two posts below). And Karen’s account in that interview of her photo shoots left me desperate to see more. She said that her shoots took place over three months. “Each session took a day, and sometimes we did three or four sessions a week.” Think of all the photos PB has in its vault, that it won’t let us see. I don’t mind them holding Karen’s photos hostage, but couldn’t they just make a ransom demand like any self-respecting hostage taker, and let us pay whatever they want with crowd sourced funding? Is there some problem in their contract with their web affiliate that has them holding on to her photos? Who really controls the vault? And does anyone there know how to run a business? Make money? Reward fans for their loyalty? Give customers what they want? They need to put a fan or two on the board of directors. I wouldn’t demand a vote—just a chance to say “help!”

Another article that UTube found, however, puzzled me. Karen was still making appearances as PB’s Miss January 1981 in the spring of 1984—more than a year after her original two-year contract had run out. I had thought (as a friend of Karen’s confirmed in a post on VEF) that Karen had so soured on her PB experience that she couldn’t wait for her obligation to PB to end. But there she was, nearly three and a half years later, doing the same kind of public appearance (a World of Wheels event at the Sonoma County Fairgrounds). And she used a publicity photo we hadn’t seen before, the most revealing photo of her that I’ve ever seen in a newspaper. The publicity photos I had seen before in newspapers showed Karen wearing a blouse or something more formal, or were cropped tightly to focus on her lovely face. PB apparently promoted Karen as she wished in 1981-2, as a genuine, down-to-earth girl-next-door. For example, in March 1981:



So it was a surprise to see something a bit hotter in April 1984—in the vein of the publicity photos she had always signed for fans—bare shouldered and leaving the rest to our hyperactive imaginations. Not that I’m complaining!



It seems to have been taken after Karen lost weight in an effort to look thin (not that she had to lose weight on our behalf. She always looked great!). Of course, the photo wasn’t as torrid as the promotional photo PB published in OUI in December 1980 to sell her newsstand issue. Newspapers couldn’t go there. That ad was for the ages, even if the copy was lame and uninspired. Couldn’t PB just let Karen’s passion and beauty, and Ken Marcus’s artistry, speak for themselves? (And yes, I can see why Karen might have had trouble looking at that picture of herself—“OMG! Did I do that?”)



But given how upset Karen was at being treated as a sex object rather than as a person, and how tired she was of most of the events PB booked for her, her promotional appearance in 1984 leaves me confused. Does anyone know how long she offered to make appearances as a PM? Maybe she was only under contract with World of Wheels, which may have had a license to hire former PMs for its shows. Anyway, I had thought Karen was done with PB by then and of promoting herself as a PM, but she wasn’t. Did she earn enough at these appearances to make them worth the aggravation?

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Default Gannettís March 1981 interview with Karen Price: First Thoughts

Alas, thanks to the articles Utube found, we’ve gotten yet another “reality check” of how hard life could be on the promotional circuit for a beautiful PM like Karen. She did the best she could in the months after she appeared on newsstands, but she soon realized that she had walked into something she wished she hadn’t. Some of the events seem harmless, so hokey that Karen might have enjoyed them. At one of her first, in January 1981, Karen appeared at the World of Wheels in Los Angeles—credited between “Twiki” of TV’s “Buck Rogers” and “Valletta the Hypnotic Wizard.” At least that sounds camp! But a number of the events that Karen appeared at in her first and second year with PB were god awful, humiliating, and demeaning. We know that not only from her comments, but from reporters who wrote about those events. Once when she was on stage, the guys who introduced her “made a bunch of cracks, very nasty ones, to make the audience laugh,” and she was so hurt she asked them to stop and think about how she felt. At another event—a free-for-all fight night in Walla Walla Washington (not promising!)—fans were invited to attend with the promise that Karen would “show her wares.” When she stepped into the ring at the beginning of the festivities, dressed gamely in a top and skin-tight pants that showed off her curves, she received not only cheers from the crowd, but according to a reporter, “raunchy invitations”—perhaps meant in fun, but certainly in bad taste, and not fun for Karen, who was hurt by the thought that “75 percent of the people I talk to believe I don’t have any morals.”

Why for the life of me would guys behave like this in front of a breathtaking young woman who was willing to share her beauty with us? It’s beyond me. Why hurt Karen’s feelings? For goodness sakes, she’s a living, breathing goddess, totally out of our leagues. Why treat her that way, instead of showing our appreciation and admiration? As anyone can see from her photo shoots, Karen had fun creating her fantasy for us. Why spoil it for her, when she has given us so much fun? And as Karen said, posing was hard work, and she worked hard, because she wanted to be not just another PM, but a spectacular PM. She did everything she could to knock our socks off. And she was a smashing success—the heartthrob of more Vintage fans than any other PM. So why make her feel that her hard work was wasted? Unappreciated? Misunderstood? Why make her feel that it nearly ruined her life? I suppose it’s just another sign of how messed up our society is when it comes to sex, fantasy, gender equality, and compassion. And for guys who don’t care about the feelings of beautiful PMs, at least be selfish and self-centered in a practical way. Were you encouraging young women to follow in Karen’s footsteps by behaving like jerks? Any woman as beautiful and talented as Karen who read her interviews or the articles about her appearances would have said no, no, no to PB, because of the stupid behavior of men.

In fairness, however, to us ordinary guys, the stupidest male behavior occurred at the Mansion, with no small degree of complicity from some of the PMs. Karen was appalled, and she didn’t mince words. She had no interest in dating celebrities, who were on “ego trips” and “probably married,” nor did she want to drink, use drugs, or end up depressed and drug dependent, like a PM she knew who had appeared five years before her and had allowed herself to be kept by a wealthy older man who eventually abandoned her. According to a reporter for Gannett New Service, Karen was “frightened by her sudden celebrity status and how all the glamour might affect her.” And what upset her most? In her words: “I know if I ever meet a man, I’ll never know if he wants to go out with me because I’m Miss January, or simply because he likes me.” Every beautiful woman has that problem. But Karen had it in spades.

It’s too bad we didn’t have fan groups like we do today. PB as we knew it then is dead, and we can’t go back and fix the past. But I hope, as I’ve said before, that Karen can look back and realize how much she was and is appreciated by her fans, how much happiness she’s given us, and how much happiness we wish for her.

And thinking out loud about better venues for PMs, given the President’s recent tacky speech to the Boy Scouts, wouldn’t teen aged guys rather hear from Karen than from politicians? What if Boy Scouts could invite PMs to hand out their badges at courts of honor? How much more popcorn would Scouts sell to make that happen? The BSA would make a mint—no more financial problems! And would the Scouts misbehave? Not on your life. They’re too young. They’d be polite and totally in awe. Of course, I suspect parents would try to put the kibosh on this, but isn’t Scouts supposed to be boy led? Shouldn’t they make the decisions? And wouldn’t Karen, a born teacher who loves kids of all ages, have had a great time? And what a role model. Who among us is more physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight than Karen? And she proves that people with good values can be sexy! I rest my case.

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Default Gannettís March 1981 interview with Karen Price: Further Thoughts

Karen was candid as always in her March 1981 interview in Tucson, Arizona with the Gannett News Service (as published in the Elmira (New York) Star-Gazette). So we’ve finally learned exactly how her father broke the news to her that he had sent her pictures to PB, and how she learned that PB had “accepted” her—an understatement if there ever was one. Family photos sufficed! Karen was at dinner at her father’s house, which confirms our hunch that her parents were divorced. And the article spells out exactly one of the sources of tension between her and her father—his ambition (since she was twelve) that she enter “show business,” which ran up against her desire to teach gymnastics to children, which she was already doing at the time. I hate to think of what he saw as a dad when Karen turned twelve (I’m hoping it was her gift for gymnastics), but I think we all have a good idea of what else he might have seen in Karen, because we as twelve-year old boys would have seen it too. A one of a kind beauty.



That’s a heavy burden to place on a daughter, particularly from a father who may have been most at fault in her parents’ divorce.

Her dad put the prospect to her jokingly in material terms. He asked, would she “like to make $10,000?” She asked how, and he told her how. It’s hard to know how she felt at that moment (she later said she “didn’t feel good” about it), but she said to her father without missing a beat, “You’ve got to be kidding, those girls are 10s.” But Karen must have realized by age nineteen that she was a ten—on a logarithmic scale. And she must have thought about show business, not only because of her father’s urgings and his example as a performer, but because of her interest in acrobatics and the fact that she seems to have discovered already that college (despite her intelligence) was not for her. And the money must have been tempting to an underemployed young woman. So, according to the reporter, “she decided to go through with the Playmate role to find out whether she could stand to be in show business.” It turned out to be a baptism by fire.

As we know from her later interviews, she agonized over her decision, and sought out friends and especially her mother and sister for their opinions—maybe because she trusted them more than she trusted her father. And although I can’t be sure, her relationship with her father might have been more complicated than we think. She was a teetotaler, and she told everyone that it had to do with her values and her concern for her body as an athlete. But she would have said the same thing and have acted the same way if drugs or alcohol had destroyed her parent’s marriage and she wanted no part of them. No doubt she loved her father and wanted to please him—nearly all of us feel that way about our fathers—but as we’ve discussed before, his behavior was way unusual, and probably in retrospect a sign not only of a show business dad, but of a dysfunctional adult who didn’t quite know how to be a father to a beautiful, gifted daughter he had disappointed. Thank goodness Karen was strong beyond her years, as children of divorce often are, and that her rough initial months as a PM took her back to her own dreams and her own sense of herself. By August 1981 she had righted the ship, and she declared in an interview that she was an “athlete”—she didn’t say model or pin-up or actress. She knew in her heart what she wanted to do. And bless her heart, she did it, as a gymnastics teacher, acrobat, and stunt woman. But the more we learn about why Karen became a PM, the worse I feel about it. If her friends or boyfriend had sent in her pictures, and ambition and a desire for stardom had led her to volunteer, that would have been one thing. Ambition and a short-lived desire for stardom probably played a role. And thank goodness Karen didn’t follow a tragic path to being a PM as some young women did. She wasn’t a lost soul from a broken family, and she didn’t let people take advantage of her. But Karen’s may have been the most unlikely path to PM ever.

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One more try with the newspaper clips - edited for content.

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One more try with the newspaper clips - edited for content.

Pretty sure that this is some kind of photoshopping by a fan
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