The First World War - Page 49

**Ennath** · September 26th, 2012, 10:52 AM

September 26, 1907
Britain New Zealand and Newfoundland are granted Dominion status.

September 26, 1914
Western Front, Belgium The Germans begin the siege of Antwerp.173 heavy guns begin a regular bombardment.
Western Front, France The Aisne fighting dies down but there is fierce fighting around Albert as Castelnau’s 10th Army clashes with Rupprecht’s German 6th Army.. At St. Mihiel, the Germans make a vain attempt to cross the Meuse. Indian troops begin to arrive at Marseilles.
Eastern Front, East Prussia The Germans begin vain efforts to force a crossing of the Niemen. Besieged Osovyets beats off a German attack.
Eastern Front, Poland In Galicia, the Russians occupy Rzeszov.
South Africa The Germans raid Sandfontein. The resulting action costs each side about 60 casualties and marks the end of any hope of invading Southwest Africa in 1914 as attention must now be turned to the dissident Boers.

September 26, 1915
Western Front The Germans have had time during the night to reinforce their positions at Loos and Hulluch, where the British must advance over open ground into devastating machine gun and artillery fire. The British, reinforced by troops from Kitchener’s New Army, making their combat debut, advance gamely but vainly. They face heavy counterattacks around Loos.
In Champagne the French have taken some 16,000 prisoners, but have stalled in front of the second defense line and taken heavy casualties; German artillery is particularly effective here.
In Artois, the French take Souchez, but 10th Army is to make only limited attacks after this, but not limited enough to let the British think they are being left to attack alone.
Eastern Front The Germans lose ground south of Pinsk.
Diplomatic Relations The Bulgarians assure the Greeks that they have no hostile intentions toward Greece..

September 26, 1916
Western Front, Somme Canadian troops of Gough’s 5th Army join the offensive, attacking at Thiepval and driving the Germans from the village, now reduced to rubble. The British also secure Combles. The French attack near Morval, but with little effect.
Rumanian Front The Rumanians secure Vulkan Pass. Falkenhayn’s 9th Army attacks Hermannstadt. The Alpine Corps breaks through the Rotenturm Pass. Mackensen’s troops capture the Danube fortress of Turturkai, with 25,000 prisoners.
Macedonia The Bulgarians drive Serbian troops from their foothold on Mount Kajmakcalan.
Greece Ships of the Greek Navy are incorporated into the Allied armada.

September 26, 1917
Western Front, Ypres Plumer’s next attack opens at 5:30 AM, with his troops once again advancing under a horrendous creeping barrage that leaves the German survivors dazed and ready to surrender. The barrages also thwart counterattacks, as Plumer intended. So again, his troops succeed in capturing their objective, a more limited advance of 1000 yards and occupation of all of Polygon Wood and Zonnebeke. Four counterattacks are checked. The cost is 13,000 casualties.
Arabia The Hejaz Railway bridge at Ma’an is destroyed and a train derailed.
German East Africa The Germans abandon the strong post at Lukuledi.
Greece Venizelos gives up the War Ministry.
Russia Kerensky resigns from the Petrograd Soviet.
Australia A major strike hits Sydney.

September 26, 1918
Western Front The Meuse-Argonne offensive begins, under Goraud (French 4th Army) and Pershing (U.S. 1st Army). The target is Gallwitz’s 5th Army on a front between the Aisne River and Haumont that falls nearly in its entirely to the Americans. The American attack, with 300,000 troops, centers on the Argonne Forest. At 5:30 AM, the attack opens with a 3-hour barrage. Although impeded by felled trees in the forest, Pershing’s troops push forward in a misty rain beyond the Michael Line, while bypassing Montfaucon, sited on a hill and highly fortified. Colonel George Patton’s tank brigade, the first such American unit, accompanies the attack.
Haig has his troops in readiness on a front from St. Quentin to Bullecourt – 40 British and Empire and 2 American divisions. Opposing them are 57 German divisions on the Hindenburg Line. During the night, the British begin their preliminary bombardment of the German positions. Near St. Quentin, it will continue for 54 hours.
Macedonia The British enter Strumitsa. Serbian cavalry takes Kochana. The Bulgarians are fighting hard to retain Skopje.
Bulgaria 30,000 Bulgarian mutineers at Radomir petition the government for redress of grievances.
War at Sea The cutter USS Tampa is sunk on convoy duty, with 117 dead, the highest US Navy loss of the war.
Palestine British VIII Corps pushes past Amman to take Zarqa Station. Allenby confers with his corps commanders at Jenin and orders continuation of the advance. The next objectives are Beirut and Damascus.
Britain The Railway strike is ended.

**palo5** · September 26th, 2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ennath

September 26, 1907
Britain New Zealand and Newfoundland are granted Dominion status.

That must be thrilling for them

What were they before?

**rotobott** · September 26th, 2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

That must be thrilling for them

What were they before?

A colony, apart from the name change there was no change, sometimes things take time, you don't always need to be revolting

Having said that when I became a NZ citizen, they made me swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen even though I was English

is there no trust anymore

**palo5** · September 26th, 2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rotobott

...Having said that when I became a NZ citizen, they made me swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen even though I was English

is there no trust anymore

"Trust is good, control is better"

**rotobott** · September 26th, 2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

"Trust is good, control is better"

I'm glad I've lived my life in democracies, such as they are, no doubt the powers that be would think otherwise

**palo5** · September 26th, 2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rotobott

I'm glad I've lived my life in democracies, such as they are, no doubt the powers that be would think otherwise

What did NZ get from WW1 (or WW2) except for losing 000s of men for another country in a war they had nothing to do with?

**rotobott** · September 26th, 2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

What did NZ get from WW1 (or WW2) except for losing 000s of men for another country in a war they had nothing to do with?

Freedom, from fascism, or maybe communism, depending on who won.

It would have taken time, but in the end there would have been no other choices

**palo5** · September 26th, 2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rotobott

Freedom, from fascism, or maybe communism...

Is that what they told you?

**scoundrel** · September 26th, 2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

What did NZ get from WW1 (or WW2) except for losing 000s of men for another country in a war they had nothing to do with?

Russia was one of the main losers in WW1, though its arguable that the overthrow of the monarchy was a huge gain; but the adoption of a replacement tyranny which lasted for over 70 years doesn't make the fall of the monarchy seem as attractive as it ought to have been.

Right up until the 50s and 60s, New Zealand was closely tied to the UK and in 1914 she was barely self-governing and not at liberty to pursue an independent foreign policy. But New Zealand fought for democratic principles in both world wars and allied herself with countries who had been attacked by others; as Britain did. If someone attacks a friendly, allied country, "whats in it for me?" is not the right question.

**deepsepia** · September 26th, 2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

Right up until the 50s and 60s, New Zealand was closely tied to the UK and in 1914 she was barely self-governing and not at liberty to pursue an independent foreign policy. But New Zealand fought for democratic principles in both world wars and allied herself with countries who had been attacked by others; as Britain did. If someone attacks a friendly, allied country, "whats in it for me?" is not the right question.

New Zealand had a longstanding fear of Russian expansionism in the Pacific -- the Kiwis actually bought the Royal Navy a battlecruiser, HMS New Zealand, to provide for their defense. There are also fascinating "disappearing guns" in strategic positions outside of Auckland and on Otago.

Its also fair to say that for Kiwis and Aussies of 1910, 1920, or 1940 -- Britain wasn't "some other country" -- it was "their nation" broadly defined.

Both in terms of people's own histories, and the economy, NZ and Oz were very much attached to the Empire.

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Ennath Vintage Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 6,815 Thanks: 26,921 Thanked 80,777 Times in 6,814 Posts	September 26, 1907 Britain New Zealand and Newfoundland are granted Dominion status. September 26, 1914 Western Front, Belgium The Germans begin the siege of Antwerp.173 heavy guns begin a regular bombardment. Western Front, France The Aisne fighting dies down but there is fierce fighting around Albert as Castelnau’s 10th Army clashes with Rupprecht’s German 6th Army.. At St. Mihiel, the Germans make a vain attempt to cross the Meuse. Indian troops begin to arrive at Marseilles. Eastern Front, East Prussia The Germans begin vain efforts to force a crossing of the Niemen. Besieged Osovyets beats off a German attack. Eastern Front, Poland In Galicia, the Russians occupy Rzeszov. South Africa The Germans raid Sandfontein. The resulting action costs each side about 60 casualties and marks the end of any hope of invading Southwest Africa in 1914 as attention must now be turned to the dissident Boers. September 26, 1915 Western Front The Germans have had time during the night to reinforce their positions at Loos and Hulluch, where the British must advance over open ground into devastating machine gun and artillery fire. The British, reinforced by troops from Kitchener’s New Army, making their combat debut, advance gamely but vainly. They face heavy counterattacks around Loos. In Champagne the French have taken some 16,000 prisoners, but have stalled in front of the second defense line and taken heavy casualties; German artillery is particularly effective here. In Artois, the French take Souchez, but 10th Army is to make only limited attacks after this, but not limited enough to let the British think they are being left to attack alone. Eastern Front The Germans lose ground south of Pinsk. Diplomatic Relations The Bulgarians assure the Greeks that they have no hostile intentions toward Greece.. September 26, 1916 Western Front, Somme Canadian troops of Gough’s 5th Army join the offensive, attacking at Thiepval and driving the Germans from the village, now reduced to rubble. The British also secure Combles. The French attack near Morval, but with little effect. Rumanian Front The Rumanians secure Vulkan Pass. Falkenhayn’s 9th Army attacks Hermannstadt. The Alpine Corps breaks through the Rotenturm Pass. Mackensen’s troops capture the Danube fortress of Turturkai, with 25,000 prisoners. Macedonia The Bulgarians drive Serbian troops from their foothold on Mount Kajmakcalan. Greece Ships of the Greek Navy are incorporated into the Allied armada. September 26, 1917 Western Front, Ypres Plumer’s next attack opens at 5:30 AM, with his troops once again advancing under a horrendous creeping barrage that leaves the German survivors dazed and ready to surrender. The barrages also thwart counterattacks, as Plumer intended. So again, his troops succeed in capturing their objective, a more limited advance of 1000 yards and occupation of all of Polygon Wood and Zonnebeke. Four counterattacks are checked. The cost is 13,000 casualties. Arabia The Hejaz Railway bridge at Ma’an is destroyed and a train derailed. German East Africa The Germans abandon the strong post at Lukuledi. Greece Venizelos gives up the War Ministry. Russia Kerensky resigns from the Petrograd Soviet. Australia A major strike hits Sydney. September 26, 1918 Western Front The Meuse-Argonne offensive begins, under Goraud (French 4th Army) and Pershing (U.S. 1st Army). The target is Gallwitz’s 5th Army on a front between the Aisne River and Haumont that falls nearly in its entirely to the Americans. The American attack, with 300,000 troops, centers on the Argonne Forest. At 5:30 AM, the attack opens with a 3-hour barrage. Although impeded by felled trees in the forest, Pershing’s troops push forward in a misty rain beyond the Michael Line, while bypassing Montfaucon, sited on a hill and highly fortified. Colonel George Patton’s tank brigade, the first such American unit, accompanies the attack. Haig has his troops in readiness on a front from St. Quentin to Bullecourt – 40 British and Empire and 2 American divisions. Opposing them are 57 German divisions on the Hindenburg Line. During the night, the British begin their preliminary bombardment of the German positions. Near St. Quentin, it will continue for 54 hours. Macedonia The British enter Strumitsa. Serbian cavalry takes Kochana. The Bulgarians are fighting hard to retain Skopje. Bulgaria 30,000 Bulgarian mutineers at Radomir petition the government for redress of grievances. War at Sea The cutter USS Tampa is sunk on convoy duty, with 117 dead, the highest US Navy loss of the war. Palestine British VIII Corps pushes past Amman to take Zarqa Station. Allenby confers with his corps commanders at Jenin and orders continuation of the advance. The next objectives are Beirut and Damascus. Britain The Railway strike is ended.