Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[judy84]

Originally Posted by bjcb0

Iain Dale was on Wednesday's Newsnight and suggested that one strategy to unseat May would be a sequence of hourly Cabinet resignations. I assume that wasn't mere conjecture given this morning.

Suella Braverman resigns from Brexit dept


now Anne-Marie Trevelyan

Also
Nikki Da Costa, Downing Street’s director of legislative affairs has resigned.

[judy84]

David Baddiel:


I feel I should take the job of Brexit Secretary now. If only so that when I resign, Theresa May can finally be proved right than No Deal is better than a Baddiel.

[DB83]

Quote from 'Alice through the Looking Glass' St. Theresa. "This is not the final deal'

Now who has been on the wacky baccy ?

Oh. Hang on. She is so right.

[laberbacke]

Originally Posted by DB83

Quote from 'Alice through the Looking Glass' St. Theresa. "This is not the final deal'

Now who has been on the wacky baccy ?

Oh. Hang on. She is so right.

"I am altering the deal. Pray that I don't alter it any further."

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

If Parliament is unable to deliver a viable agreement between Britain and the EU, then 29 March will arrive regardless and Britain will have run out of time. That will be messy and damaging but will at least be a clear outcome. Mrs May's plan is unclear. I can't quite fathom why she thinks anyone wants what she is offering.

She has achieved the miraculous -- united the Leave and Remain in their unhappiness with her plan.

Leave always had an assumption that was unproven-- that a amicable divorce was possible, mostly preserving the benefits of EU membership. Having been through a divorce myself, I always smile the same grim smile when a buddy tells me he's getting divorced and that "we're on the same page, its going to be amicable".

May's plan is just like most divorces-- it sucks, and because it sucks, it tests just how much you want to dissolve this union.

Originally Posted by seagal99

How many times has a politician said "another referendum is needed because the people did'nt understand what they were voting for" how patronising is that.

Did "Leave" voters understand that Teresa May's plan was what they were voting for? We don't typically make complex adjustments to treaties by one sentence popular referenda. May's agreement is 500+ pages of some very dense text . . . that's what _any_ such agreement would have to be, and yet voters deceive themselves into thinking "I know what I voted for" . . . that's a mirage.

Brexit -- whatever the terms-- was always going to be vastly more complex than what was submitted to the voters, and it never should have been. Fight an election on "Leave" vs "Remain", sure . . . see if a party elected to "leave" can get a good deal. But don't pretend that "because we voted that twenty odd other countries should do something, therefore they will"

[laberbacke]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Brexit -- whatever the terms-- was always going to be vastly more complex than what was submitted to the voters, and it never should have been. Fight an election on "Leave" vs "Remain", sure . . . see if a party elected to "leave" can get a good deal. But don't pretend that "because we voted that twenty odd other countries should do something, therefore they will"

Agreed. Brexit is a perfect example of why public referendums on highly complex policy issues can be detrimental to the argument for more direct democracy. Not even the experts had a clear picture of what risks and benefits Brexit actually carried, and the Leave campaign was built, from the get-go, on bold-faced lies - remember BoJo's red bus?


Even the most ardent Brexit supporters here now know that he was full of shit and that those yearly extra ten billion pounds for the NHS he promised after Brexit will never, ever materialize. The entire debate over the last year circled around mitigating the damage that Brexit will cause, which is the exact opposite of the golden future and renaissance of imperial glory that BoJo and Farage promised.


Shitting on Theresa May is a popular sport here, but if all of you are honest with yourselves, there was no deal to be made that would satisfy everyone, that would satisfy you. Even Winston Churchill could not have delivered a deal that would allow you to have your cake (access to all the benefits of membership) and eat it, too (none of the responsibilities of membership). That was never a possibility, and you should have known that from the start.



From the moment the referendum passed, it was always bound to end up where we are today, with the prime minister trying to sell a deal that makes no one happy.


I for one am increasingly convinced that a hard Brexit is unavoidable. There is no broad agreement in parliament or among the British population for a very simple question that everyone who has ever been to a job interview must be able to answer: Where do you see yourselves in ten years?


The UK is probably the single most reliable and predictable nation of the last couple of hundreds of years. This is the first time in a long time that Britons are sailing into uncharted territory and neither the captain at the helm, nor any of her officers inspire great confidence.

[DB83]

Reported that St. Theresa is holding a press conference at 5 pm.

Now you only get these on consecutive days when something 'BIG' is happening. What with the resignations, and possibly more of these to come before the end of the day, and the letters of no confidence floating around, is another walk down Downing St. on the cards ?

[bloke57]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

She has achieved the miraculous -- united the Leave and Remain in their unhappiness with her plan.

Absolutely.

I used to do arbitration work and our (slightly humorous) motto was, if both sides are unhappy with the result, you've probably got it about right.

I may be shouted down but I personally admire Theresa May hugely. She was handed the most poisonous of poisoned chalices by the idiot coward Cameron. The result was slimmer than it takes to change the rules in a golf club so the country was divided and angry. She has been stabbed in the back by self-seeking, execrable tory politicians and faced up to opposition parties and regional governments who would never be happy.

She has tried to honour the result of the referendum and made the best fist of it she can with no help from the stupid, lazy David Davies who walked away just like Cameron did - arguing against a reluctant and uninterested EU bureaucracy. And she has done it all with strength and dignity.

I'd like to see anyone do better.

If you do have to go Theresa, then I wish you godspeed. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

[Wendigo]

I'd not shout you down bloke57 but May screwed this up herself, the calling of a snap general election losing a majority crippled her credibility. The election was not lost on Brexit they lost votes on lots of issues including taxation.

I can hear knobheads shouting for a people's vote, we had one you dorks it was called the Referendum

Brussels say take it or leave it, May says My Deal or No Deal, I am a pro Brexit supporter and her deal sucks big style.

If Parliament cannot make a decision and choose to run another referendum as I have said many times what question would be asked and would Brussels hang on whilst we fuck about for another year or so. The only thing this will do is manage to divide the country even further.

What if that vote is again 52% v 48% do we have a third vote ???

[Wendigo]

"The deal is better than any available alternative"

Only because the EU has red lines that meant that what the people who voted to leave wanted could not be met, the UK have their own red lines of course and there are areas where there is no common ground.

This again highlights to me why I don't want to be a member of a club that is so hard to leave.