Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities

[sandhunter]

A new thread to talk about Guns and Ammo , gun violence and legislation , the other thread is now closed and all the discussion will move to this thread.
First thanks to Mal Hombre and SanteeFats for help with title of this thread

For the last several years I kept hearing rumors of the Govt. rationing 22lr ammo , I asked why 22lr , as yes it is deadly but no one I know uses this caliber for protection , we use it shoot off out in the desert as it is very cheap to buy , I was told this caliber is actually very popular in the inner cities ,
Last week I ordered 5 bricks of 22lr and my order was accepted and charged and then I received an e-mail telling me my first 3 bricks would ship the next day but the other 2 would ship after a 30 day waiting period , this is crazy as my brother bought 5000 rds of 9mm from the same company and they shipped his all in one shipment ,
Two different calibers and the same quantity but the smaller caliber is rationed
Now the next part of this rumor is the Govt. was buying up the difference in quantity from the manufactures , whether this is true I don't know
I am not a conspiracy theorist nut , sometimes rumors are based in fact.

[AmateurEmale]

I am not a gun owner but live with a Vietnam Veteran who is.

I have shot 9mm, .22, .38, and M-14 battle rifle from WW1.

I believe that the government should not have a monopoly on firearms.

I tend to agree with L.Neil Smith that the issue is like a Vulcan mind-meld that can separate freedom-loving statesmen from authoritarian politicians.

"Why did it have to be... guns?"

[diamelsx]

Have no firearm. Have noto shot anything more than a Nintendo light gun. As far as laws go I say "It depends", I would outlaw handguns altogether in private hands. Long rifles I would permit for hunting and self defensive purposes. I would enact these laws knowing full well that it would not solve America's gun violence problem overnight and with the laws a underground market would spring up, but over time I believe that with the laws & mandatory registration program that will go a long way to curbing the gun violence issue.

[cginok]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Have no firearm. Have noto shot anything more than a Nintendo light gun. As far as laws go I say "It depends", I would outlaw handguns altogether in private hands. Long rifles I would permit for hunting and self defensive purposes. I would enact these laws knowing full well that it would not solve America's gun violence problem overnight and with the laws a underground market would spring up, but over time I believe that with the laws & mandatory registration program that will go a long way to curbing the gun violence issue.

I would suggest you watch a documentary entitled "Cartel Land." It's about a group of Mexican civilians that took up arms to defend themselves against drug cartels. They were armed with all kinds of "assault rifles" including full automatic AKs. The private ownership of firearms in Mexico is as regulated and restricted as it is anywhere on the planet...to the point that you can't even posses ammunition without a government permit. If they could find hundreds of "assault rifles" to equip themselves with, what makes you think your "laws & mandatory registration program" are going to work any better in the US? It definitely hasn't worked in Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel_Land

[WanderingGeorge01]

Who here wants nuclear weapons legal and affordable in America to preserve the second amendment? Also, who here wants a nuclear weapon?

[badman999]

Originally Posted by WanderingGeorge01

Who here wants nuclear weapons legal and affordable in America to preserve the second amendment? Also, who here wants a nuclear weapon?

Troll, be gone.

[foxbat1]

Originally Posted by badman999

Troll, be gone.

Where do you draw the line? What kinds of weapons are included under the 2A? What is your reasoning?

[slaphead12]

Originally Posted by WanderingGeorge01

Who here wants nuclear weapons legal and affordable in America to preserve the second amendment? Also, who here wants a nuclear weapon?

NAhh.


Now if your offering a M1A Abrams tank.....


If the 2nd Amendment is a "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Why aren't RPG's allowed?

[hoss]

Originally Posted by WanderingGeorge01

Who here wants nuclear weapons legal and affordable in America to preserve the second amendment? Also, who here wants a nuclear weapon?

I want a Roman catapult and I´ll be offering free flights when I have it.

[Faceman675]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Have no firearm. Have noto shot anything more than a Nintendo light gun. As far as laws go I say "It depends", I would outlaw handguns altogether in private hands. Long rifles I would permit for hunting and self defensive purposes. I would enact these laws knowing full well that it would not solve America's gun violence problem overnight and with the laws a underground market would spring up, but over time I believe that with the laws & mandatory registration program that will go a long way to curbing the gun violence issue.

As you were changing this font I finished reading the second page and went back to respond to this post. I was looking for that heavy green font and thought I was going crazy when I couldn't find it

Diamelsx:

We already have mandatory registration. You can not legally purchase a gun without it being reported to the Federal government. Whether they could manage that data better is a matter perspective based opinion.

As for the idea of banning handguns as a previous post points out Mexico has some of the most restrictive gun laws anywhere and it did nothing to stop citizens from arming themselves against the cartels. I would have pointed out that they also have some of the most heavily armed criminals. The cartels operate small well armed armies which are armed with weapons that have been outlawed in the US since the mid 30s.

Any law you pass to ban handguns will only serve to take hand guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. You seem to think that long guns are a viable for self defense. While I would rather have a rifle than be unarmed a handgun is by far, far a better choice for self defense. You have acknowledge that your proposed laws would not work overnight. How many lives are you willing to sacrifice until your proposed law takes affect? Are you aware that, per the USDOJ, in the US 450000 to 500000 times a year privately owned firearms are used for self-defense? So again I ask how many people are you willing to sacrifice? 1000, 5000, 10000, 25000 or more? How many?

I will take you at your word that you only want to ban hand guns but do you really believe groups like Handgun Control inc would stop at handguns. Make no mistake their goal is to outlaw private ownership of guns, to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Instead passing laws to harshen criminal penalties the left wants to lighten criminal penalties and criminalize legal constitutionally protected behavior (owning a gun). How about instead of use a gun go to jail how about use a gun go to jail for a very very long time? How about 10 years for the use of a gun while committing a crime, 15 years if that gun is fired, 25 years if someone is shot and life with no parole for killing someone with a gun.