Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[otokonomidori]

In 1975 I voted to stay in the EEC - so this time , in order to strike a balance, I reckon I'll vote to leave the EU.

[haroldeye]

Over the weekend we had a British Prime Minister simpering whilst the French President threatened Britain. Well done Mr Cameron, our most trustworthy PM since that nice Mr Chamberlain.

The two of them were in a War Graves Cemetary at Pozieres on the Somme spouting the rubbish about the EU and peace. If you want to know why we have an EU come to the war cemetaries and you will know, they said. Should we send them to Bosnia or the Ukraine to look at the graves there. The EU was really useful there.

[nudgenudge]

Best news for Brexit campaign

[gordian_knot]

Originally Posted by nudgenudge

Best news for Brexit campaign

Turkey is holding the EU to ransom - over a situation Turkey helped to create - and Angela Merkel is caving in and forcing the EU to do her bidding because she screwed up over her open-door migrant policy.

This is what happens when people you have no control over can dictate to you.

The most worrying thing is that Turkey is fast heading down the road to military dictatorship yet our leaders are going to invite them into the EU. And what else is Turkey going to demand? More money? New laws that favour Turkey, it's customs, beliefs and laws over ours? Because Turkey is cynically playing this for all it's worth. People who vote to stay in won't be voting for the status quo, but for a radically changed EU heading who knows where.

[nudgenudge]

I don't know who's a bigger danger to the EU,Merkel , Erdogan or Putin ,I'm going for Frau Merkel

[thunderfly]

Originally Posted by nudgenudge

I don't know who's a bigger danger to the EU,Merkel , Erdogan or Putin ,I'm going for Frau Merkel

She's certainly a danger to Europe and it's people if not to the EU itself.

[bloke57]

I will abstain - I have no idea. All we've had is one load of over-privileged, plummy-voiced nerks slagging off another bunch of over-privileged, plummy voiced nerks.

I have heard very few cogent arguments but witnessed freedom of expression and opinion being trampled on left, right and centre. I feel the political class has let us down again - out of touch, distant from the governed and self-interested. That's why politics in in a mess worldwide.

The media have done little to inform us impartially. So, in the end I'm sure that whatever is decided, it will be decided for all the wrong reasons.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by haroldeye

The two of them were in a War Graves Cemetary at Pozieres on the Somme spouting the rubbish about the EU and peace. If you want to know why we have an EU come to the war cemetaries and you will know, they said. Should we send them to Bosnia or the Ukraine to look at the graves there. The EU was really useful there.

I agree the EU was no help, but the EU is designed to keep Germany & France from exploding each other, and is absolutely not geared to handle a Ukraine situation. The troublemakers in Ukraine are the Americans and the neo-nazis they support, not to mention attention-seeking allies in the Nato you so love

Sorry harold, you know it's not personal, but Nato is a serious warmongering enterprise, imho

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by palo5

Sorry harold, you know it's not personal, but Nato is a serious warmongering enterprise, imho

OK , let's see NATO formed 1949 in the wake of WW2 and is by its very nature a defensive organisation, under article 5 of the treaty it requires member states to come to the aid of any member state subject to an armed attack. For a seriously warmongering enterprise they are pretty poor in that respect as in almost 70 years that Article has only been invoked once in the wake of the September 11 2001 attacks on America.

Meanwhile those same 70 years has seen the rise and fall of the Warsaw Pact, Soviet tanks rolling through many Eastern European states, the USSR even used gunboat diplomacy to threaten to attack NATO after it intervened in Bosnia as they see the Serbs as cousins, albeit more like the sort of banjo playing cousins one would expect to find in Deliverance. Let's not even go into what Russia is doing in The Ukraine as quite frankly all this has exactly bugger all to do with the EU referendum.

Here are the NATO articles http://www.nato.int/nato_static/asse...light_2009.pdf

"They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this North Atlantic Treaty:"

As Julius Caesar might have said "Warmongering should be made of sterner stuff"

Now let's resume our normal programming.

[Wendigo]

Meanwhile back on topic

Mark Carney: EU exit is 'biggest domestic risk'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35751919

The more the rich and powerful throw these smokescreens however well intentioned the more it seems like synchronised scaremongering. There may be problems if we choose to leave but let's be honest no one knows what the effects will be and any exit will be phased in over several years anyway.