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For an old desktop user, there doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to change from Win 7. Win 10 (like 8 and 8.1) seem to assume that we want to be connected all the time, use a touch screen, spend our time on social media, share everything with MS, etc. Sorry, that is not my profile and this product was not created for me. |
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One real irritant revolves around the game Mahjong, which I like to play once in a while. It was a nice little time waster in 7. But it doesn't come by default with 10. You have to go to the Windows store and get it for free. I understand they want people to get used to going to the store but please? Another problem is that every time you want to play the game, the game tries to sign you into the XBox website (I don't have an XBox and aren't planning on getting one) and then opens a webpage asking more about the XBox (not really sure what its asking for as the page is blocked by my security software). So yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head. The OS might be good for teens and youngsters interested in the social media stuff, but if your not, there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest here. Still no BSODs though. At least thats good. But there are a bunch of little problems. MS still has a way to go before this is ready for prime time. |
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June 16th, 2015, 10:59 AM | #35 |
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windows 8 is a complete dud thats why they went to 10 i have HEARD its very good but be
safe with the icon windows 7 wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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After I overviewed the Windows 10 Primer that a435843 so generously provided (thank you again !), I am very much underwhelmed by Windows 10.
First and foremost if you are totally in bed with Microsoft products (Windows Phone, Xbox, cloud services) then you are probably doing cartwheels right about now. But for those of us with Android or iOS phones, Playstations, Google Apps, iPad etc. not so much. So all the additional "features" designed to make your Microsoft based life more integrated just sound like BLOATWARE to me since I frankly don't use any of these products and am highly unlikely to be swayed by smooth talk into buying them. Secondly, it occurs to me that in order to provide a homogenous operating system environment Microsoft likely applied a "least common denominator" principle; i.e.,the Windows 10 features and performance on PCs will be sacrificed to insure that it runs smoothly on other platforms like Windows Phone and Xbox, instead of the other way round. This is borne out by a435843 comments concerning Spartan, the removal of the Control Panel and Devices features, and the rollout of Universal Apps. I agree with Misrule that this document was no doubt commissioned by Microsoft, in much the same way the aforementioned "first look" document for Vista was no doubt also Redmond's handiwork. I have no doubt that as with the Vista rollout Microsoft will start hammering the hardware OEMs to stop making Windows 7 and 8 available to consumers in favor of 10. I remember with ire how during the "Vista Wars" Microsoft was loudly proclaiming it as "the best selling Windows ever", slickly ignoring the fact that they were counting not actual consumer purchases but new units shipped. Meanwhile the OEMs quietly broke ranks and continued offering consumers Windows XP as an option. Microsoft's vision of the corporate environment to me is so flawed that I got a neck pain shaking my head. First, the idea that corporations have unlimited support resources to allow a Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) plutocracy is absolutely crazy. With media reports of security breaches both large and small an almost daily event, security administrations will be cutting off any potential risks. It's bad enough when a corporate executive has a secured, data encrypted laptop with company data stolen at an airport. Can you imagine a personal PC brought into the office, connected to corporate datashares, then taken home loaded with trade secrets ? How many home users have PCs that are actually 100% secure ? Yes, your Microsoft Windows and apps may be secure and up-to-date. But what about your Adobe Reader or Shockwave Player ? What about your copy of Oracle JavaScript ? Your non-Microsoft browsers ? Have you deinstalled apps you don't use anymore and probably haven't updated ? At the pharmaceutical company I worked at we had our own "App Store" - TEN YEARS AGO ! Again, Microsoft comes to the table a day late and a dollar short. Our access to apps was controlled by strict permissions. If you needed a particular app to do your job and your department was willing to pay for the license you were given permission to install it. If the application was validated you might actually have to attend training before you were allowed this access. Finally, if Microsoft's Single Sign On (SSO) model includes any backend connections to their cloud services, again I would be saying "Thanks, but NO THANKS" if I were a security administrator. What I find comical about all of this is that Microsoft and other cloud service providers tout business continuity as a strong point on why you should use their services. In other words, by using the facilities of the cloud service provider all or in part you are more likely to avoid an interruption to business activities caused by a loss of computing and database services. But Microsoft's "vision" of a modern office computing environment seems to run counter to this logic. But of course it provides the foundation for buying MORE Microsoft products and services to manage the chaos that they are actually promoting. Again, at the corporate level this is typical Microsoft: buy all our products and services and you'll have a smooth running, totally integrated computing environment. Yeah, sure. The same promises that IBM, Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), and so many others made in the past. Looks like a new generation of suckers are falling for this whale s- - t all over again. Ken Olsen, the founder, president and chairman of long defunct DEC once declared that "open systems" were irrelevant. I could understand his point: if you were using a single source for all your technology needs, chances are you didn't need open systems. Problem was then, as it is now, the technology world is not homogenous. The first big wave of change was when the world turned away from proprietary networking (so favored by the big technology companies of the day) and went to IP (TCP/IP) based "open standards" networking. The growth of the Internet would never have happened without this fundamental change. Companies that took stock of this change survived and prospered. Those that did not, like DEC were swept away. If Microsoft blunders with Windows by making it into a even more proprietary mis-mosh, then a real move to open standards based operating systems (read that Unix derived) may be in the offing. If I were Microsoft, I'd be working on porting Windows to work on top of a Unix based core OS. The lesson is clear: give the people what they want, NOT what you're prepared to give them. The executives at DEC failed to learn this. Will Microsoft join them on the scrapheap ? "May you live in interesting times......." Last edited by Rick Danger; June 16th, 2015 at 06:36 PM.. |
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I'm sticking with Windows 7 until they pry it from my cold dead hands.
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I was curious how Microsoft's other strategic product lines were doing, since Windows 10 cross-platform integration is their stated direction.
Amazing. Microsoft's strategy appears to tie the Windows franchise to two product lines (Windows Phone and Surface) that are underperforming the market while the third, the Xbox line is at least viable. In a well researched Wikipedia article on Smartphones, statistics for sales and market share by operating system are quoted from Gartner Research: Quote:
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According to the Wikipedia article, while the Surface hardware gains praise, the software leaves much to be desired. No doubt these comments are driving the strategy to have Windows 10 integrate Microsoft's various products: Quote:
While the Xbox platform lags behind Sony's PlayStation and Nintendo's Wii, it has a solid niche and appears to be well respected. Interestingly with the Xbox One product Microsoft has moved away from the dedicated Xbox OS to Windows 8 (and soon Win 10). I will research if this move has impacted the experience of Xbox users. Could a three legged horse win the Kentucky Derby ? |
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Only one other observation from the last few days. And I guess its to be expected from MS. Can only think of one example off hand (the new, buried, location of the New Folder button in Explorer) but they (MS) don't seem to be making things easier. They seem to be making things harder to find. Why? What possible sense does that make? Another example. Why in the world get rid of the Control Panel? Actually, its still there but its now called Settings and is available in a minimum of two clicks (Start button and then Settings). But why rename it now? Its been around since when? Win 3 or 3.1? Are they thinking the shorter name is preferable? And people won't mind? Typical MS. |
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June 17th, 2015, 11:38 PM | #40 |
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Finally put the 10 drive back in last night and checked the site windows want to go to every time I want to play Mahjong. Its going to an XBox website: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/ I probably misspoke about my security software blocking it. Probably just got tired of clicking out of it. Not much else to report as I only played with it a bit last night and just got back on this evening. But there is one thing..... and its pretty important. Just after sticking the Win 10 HD back in the laptop the machine booted OK. But maybe a bit slower. Went to click the Start button and no go. It doesn't work. WTF! Start looking for a fix and discover lots of people are having the same problem. It just quits for no reason. Found an MS forum trying to help people and tried fixes on the first two pages. No luck. There were 8 or 10 more pages to go so maybe I'll try it again. Or maybe not. |
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