The US Constitution (not the ship)

**Arturo2nd** · July 12th, 2017, 01:14 PM

We are not disagreeing at all. In fact we are in agreement that the Federal Government cannot be counted on to maintain our basic freedoms. However, it is my opinion that the government has been co-opted by the multi-national corporations (just as Adam Smith predicted), which are undemocratic and anti-humanistic structures in and of themselves. What is more alarming from my point of view as a U.S. citizen is that the multinationals that are dominating our economy are less and less U.S. Corporations.

Two points where we disagree is that I believe that the Supreme Court has ordinarily failed to protect the rights of the common people and interpreted the laws in favor of the corporate interests. I do not see how anyone examining the opinions of Alioto, Gorsuch, and Thomas nowadays, and a whole series of rulings running from the 19th Century until the mid-20th can argue otherwise. Given the dominance of corporations, I think it is naive to argue for limited government. Some entity needs to be powerful enough to offset and contain corporate power. Given that national governments tend to become instruments of oppression in controlled by the forces of wealth and privilege, it is my opinion that an international government will be necessary to create a balanced power dynamic. Most likely, that government will also be co-opted, but it is my opinion that the whole Libertarian agenda is just as naive as their Anarchist brothers on the left.

All of these arguments have every indication of not mattering much as humanity continues to add energy to the dynamic of our ongoing sixth mass extinction event.

P.S. Robert Morris's slide into bankruptcy and disgrace was really rather tragic given the enormous contribution he made to the Patriot's cause. Only a few of the Constitutional delegates slid into criminal behavior, but that really is a tangent to the whole nation creating enterprise.

July 12th, 2017, 01:14 PM	#31
Arturo2nd Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Oakland, California, United States. I have a beautful view of the BART tracks and I-980 Posts: 8,955 Thanks: 103,061 Thanked 151,629 Times in 8,946 Posts	We are not disagreeing at all. In fact we are in agreement that the Federal Government cannot be counted on to maintain our basic freedoms. However, it is my opinion that the government has been co-opted by the multi-national corporations (just as Adam Smith predicted), which are undemocratic and anti-humanistic structures in and of themselves. What is more alarming from my point of view as a U.S. citizen is that the multinationals that are dominating our economy are less and less U.S. Corporations. Two points where we disagree is that I believe that the Supreme Court has ordinarily failed to protect the rights of the common people and interpreted the laws in favor of the corporate interests. I do not see how anyone examining the opinions of Alioto, Gorsuch, and Thomas nowadays, and a whole series of rulings running from the 19th Century until the mid-20th can argue otherwise. Given the dominance of corporations, I think it is naive to argue for limited government. Some entity needs to be powerful enough to offset and contain corporate power. Given that national governments tend to become instruments of oppression in controlled by the forces of wealth and privilege, it is my opinion that an international government will be necessary to create a balanced power dynamic. Most likely, that government will also be co-opted, but it is my opinion that the whole Libertarian agenda is just as naive as their Anarchist brothers on the left. All of these arguments have every indication of not mattering much as humanity continues to add energy to the dynamic of our ongoing sixth mass extinction event. P.S. Robert Morris's slide into bankruptcy and disgrace was really rather tragic given the enormous contribution he made to the Patriot's cause. Only a few of the Constitutional delegates slid into criminal behavior, but that really is a tangent to the whole nation creating enterprise.