Windows 10?

[seany65]

Originally Posted by Ernesto75

Here are surprising news:

Ubuntu Software Running On Windows 10

Bash is on Windows 10 now.
While on Windows 10 you can run a Linux subsystem and Linux applications.
To obtain this, Microsoft worked with Canonical, the editor of Ubuntu Linux.

This is called Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL).

This looks like a technical success from a benchmark point of view.

Astounding, really.

Hmmm. So microsoft has made it so that the Windows 10 'spyware' can have ubuntu linux running on it. Are they hoping people will forget that Win10 is 'spyware'?

[Ernesto75]

Originally Posted by seany65

Hmmm. So microsoft has made it so that the Windows 10 'spyware' can have ubuntu linux running on it. Are they hoping people will forget that Win10 is 'spyware'?

In my post I saluted a technical performance, no more.

But I still dislike Microsoft.

Even when I own a secondary machine running under Windows 10.
That machine was under Windows 7 and then I downloaded Windows 10 on it.

This was an experience so I know what is Windows 10.
At the moment this system is still not mature and I have no intention of helping them.

But I salute the technical prowess.

[Rick Danger]

Interesting.

Quietly, and without much notice Microsoft has discontinued the automated Fix It diagnostic and repair tools:

From Microsoft:
Fix it Center finds and fixes many common PC and device problems automatically. It also helps prevent new problems by proactively checking for known issues and installing updates. Fix it Center helps to consolidate the many steps of diagnosing and repairing a problem into an automated tool that does the work for you.

Microsoft Fix it Center makes getting support easier than ever because automatic troubleshooters solve the issues you have now and prevent new ones. Microsoft Fix it Center personalizes solutions for your device, showing you only what matters to your hardware and software. Microsoft Fix it Center gives you an easy way to stay in control and support all your devices.

And who posted that the Fix It Center is no longer available? CNET.com, not Microsoft!

Editors' Note: Microsoft Fix it Center has been discontinued and is no longer available for download or use. Download.com offers no downloadable file for this product and presents data on the last available version for informational purposes only.

So a somewhat useful tool for maintaining Windows 7 and 8.x machines is now gone.

I know I'll sound like an old paranoiac, but to me Microsoft certainly pulled the plug on Fix It to make it harder for the novice to maintain Windows 7 or 8 and further shove them towards Windows 10.

Interesting, or infuriating?

R.I.P.
Prince Rogers Nelson (June 7, 1958 – April 21, 2016)

[schmilblikbouzouffi]

As I said before, the force of Microsoft is Office Suite. We all realized that when we create a document with Open Office or Libre Office, and we can save in .doc. But once we open this document with Microsoft Word, we can remark that there are several problems in the format, and we all moan against Open Office, and we say all that Microsoft Office is the best. Nothing could be equal.

In fact realities is little bit different. Much of source code of Open Office is included inside Microsoft Office. The programmers of Redmond add some proprietary codes in order to make it not compatible with Open or Libre Office.
Then we are all trapped, because we must have Microsoft Office. Once Microsoft Office is an obligation, after Windows and all its suite are obligation. It is robbery. In order fight against Microsoft if we are more and more using only Libre Office, Microsoft will have to cease its uggly processes. Hence Windows will disappear.

[RowanMooreFan]

I still use WordPerfect (X6), which is way better than Word.
Give me the most complicated document and I will replicate it in maximum two hours and it will be identical to the original.

In ten years from now the other 4000 workers in the building that I work in will still be trying to figure out how to create the document, because of the multitude of problems they will have run into and cannot get out of.

People are now forced to use Word and have no other option because of the totally criminal behavior of Microsoft in the past (and most certainly not because of offering a product that was or is better than that of the competition).

And OpenOffice or LibreOffice are just another flavour of a basically flawed word processor...

Even with WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows 3.11 (which I still use) I can easily outclass all my colleagues... some food for thought. I can still create documents with the most recent version of WP and these documents (provided they do not contain any new features) can still be read by WP from 20 years ago; the other way round the compatibility is simply absolute.

For each program MS makes, you can find a better one (perhaps with the exception of MS Excel); MS is arrogant, never listens to its users and their wishes and I hope that one day it will be replaced, entirely!

[Rick Danger]

I'm not a big fan of Microsoft Office, but I have to make comments to the contrary to some of the recent posts.

Had Lotus Development Corporation came out with a Windows compatible version of 1-2-3 in those early days of Windows 3.0, we'd ALL probably still be using 1-2-3. But they missed the mark, the same way that VisiCorp failed to port VisiCalc-16 over to the new IBM PC/PC DOS environment in the earliest days of the PC. That misstep opened the door for Lotus. But how Lotus made the same mistake years later that VisiCorp made in 1981, Lord only knows. Was that first edition of Excel better than 1-2-3? Probably not, but it was integrated with Windows.

Ditto Satellite Software International (SSI), the owners of WordPerfect back in the early 1980's. With WordPerfect 5.0 and the right printer I could create documents that rivaled the desktop publishing products of the day (e.g., PageMaker) with speed and ease. But it took SSI two full years to bring out WordPerfect for Windows, and it was a buggy mess. Again, Microsoft Word stepped into that two year product gap and never looked back.

Criminal behavior? How so? Incompetence by the competition - yes.

As far as the whole question of Office vs. Open Office, why would Microsoft be under any obligation to violate it's own intellectual property rights by making Office internals publicly available? Redmond isn't Catholic Charities - they are a profit-making business. I worked for a few months for a "CEO" who instead of having a payroll promised a percentage of the investment monies raised by his company. Problem was, in five years he hadn't signed up any investors! I never saw a dime. Guess what? I don't "work" there anymore!

Believe it or not, I still use Office XP running under Windows 8.1. Microsoft said this would not work, but IT DOES. I cannot apply the Service Pack 2 for this version, probably because certain registry keys are not created by the Office XP installation under Windows 8.1. To maintain backwards compatibility with my machines running Office XP I never save Office files with the Office 2016 default formats. I find this works well with products like LibreOffice as well. But if you expect to use Office 2016 formats and open them under Open Office applications you are going to be gravely disappointed.

I have two big complaints with Office. First, I doubt if most users make use of even 30% of the features. So I question why Microsoft has to release a new version of the entire suite every three years or so. And to be blunt, whoever came up with the "ribbon" interface first introduced with Office 2013 should be put against the wall and shot. An absolutely cluttered monstrosity!

Secondly, I think in this thread I have adequately expressed my distaste for Microsoft having a hand in my pocket on a monthly or yearly basis. I prefer paying one time for a license and the media. In that way I don't have to worry that in a few years an Office 2023 subscription will not run on my Windows 8.1 machines. I dislike "forced obsolescence".

For those of you who chose not to use Microsoft Office, there is certainly a stronger community of Open Office users now than a few years ago. And in the world of Cloud computing Google Apps has taken a bite out of the Office dominance.

There is no question that Office is a major cash cow for Microsoft. But just as the Apple iPod dominates it's marketplace, Office in turn dominates it's own. Subjective criticisms aside, that is the current reality. But history has shown us if (or more likely when) a superior product comes to the market and catches the imagination of the buying public today's "dominant" standard can become tomorrow's sideshow.

[RowanMooreFan]

Criminal behavior: by changing the API and Windows internals right before major software releases and by withholding critical information putting that same competition at a disadvantage.

Microsoft at a time had more lawyers than programmers, so to speak. By the time the lawsuits were judged in court, the damage was already done.

As far as WordPerfect is concerned:

https://redmondmag.com/articles/2014...vell-suit.aspx

especially:

"The Novell v. Microsoft case was a complaint about Microsoft deliberately withholding Windows technical information in order to thwart its competitors in the applications market. The case brought to light an Oct. 3, 1994 memo from then-Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, who indicated that Microsoft should withhold namespace extension APIs in Windows 95 from its competitors, WordPerfect and IBM, in order to gain market advantage for Microsoft Word.
However, that "smoking gun" memo wasn't enough for Judge J. Frederick Motz of the Utah Central Division Court. He said in the case that "it is well established that a monopolist generally has no duty to cooperate with its competitors."
Judge Motz did not think that sort of behavior violated the Sherman Act. Instead, it might be considered to be "aggressive conduct" by Microsoft."

"When a superior product comes to the market..." That is not always true. Office has become the de facto standard. No IT-manager will ever get fired for using Office. Every day I help several colleagues with their 'Word'-problems and each time I have to notice how much faster and better I would have done what they need to do with WordPerfect. The ALT-F3 "Reveal Codes" in WordPerfect alone is worth moving to WordPerfect, but it does not happen, does it?

[forfucksake]

Tried win10 last night.
All my paid for apps suddenly started showing adds again.
Figured there would be a fix for this but after about 5 minutes of exploring the system I reverted to win 8.
Not a Fan.

[Ernesto75]

Originally Posted by RowanMooreFan

However, that "smoking gun" memo wasn't enough for Judge J. Frederick Motz of the Utah Central Division Court. He said in the case that "it is well established that a monopolist generally has no duty to cooperate with its competitors."
Judge Motz did not think that sort of behavior violated the Sherman Act. Instead, it might be considered to be "aggressive conduct" by Microsoft."

How much do you think Bill Gates paid to this Judge ?

Bill Gates was not above such thing (neither the judge it seems).

[schmilblikbouzouffi]

Originally Posted by Rick Danger

...Redmond isn't Catholic Charities - they are a profit-making business...

Not only!
I don't focus only on Microsoft, Larry Ellison is worse, Ibm is not better, neither Cisco. Apple seems to me the worst. Notice just one thing. Apple, Google, Microsoft, Cisco, Yahoo, etc...all secretly agreed -the ugly of Steve Job lead this initiative, he had got this other awful idea. - not to increase the salary of Analysts, Developers, Buiseness men, etc... that left from a company to go to another. If you see, they make money with the workers, all benefit the help of US taxpayers, european taxpayers, asian taxpayers' helps..Once they make profit, they did not share what they earn with the country where they did huge incomings, they evade money in offshore areas, where they are sure they will not be forced to pay taxes. Furthermore, these companies did not want to increase salaries of those who allow them to win. They are all ugly criminals very, very miserly, stingy, not only Microsoft.

Originally Posted by Rick Danger

Believe it or not, I still use Office XP running under Windows 8.1. Microsoft said this would not work, but IT DOES.

I must admit that Microsoft Office XP is really a very good product.

Originally Posted by Rick Danger

First, I doubt if most users make use of even 30% of the features.

30% ?
If average people use only 3% it is very huge. Do not forget that at first Excel contained complex functions that are used by engineers, or in engineer schools. U could not meet several millions of engineers in any country -China, India excepted-. Microsoft Access could be considered as Database engine, indeed not as SQL Server, but a very good Database. Who can design a database among average people ? Furthermore, for this purpose there are Libre Office, MySQL, Postgress etc.. If you add Cloud office what is the purpose of Microsoft Office ? Hence Windows 10 ?
In fact I mean there are no need of Microsoft Office, neither Windows even though these products seem to be very well designed.