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Old 02-12-2018, 06:12 PM   #3431
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Is it really too much to ask that they don't break the agreement keeping the peace on the island of Ireland?

Agreements can be renegotiated, both sides have benefited from the peace dividend over the last almost 20 years so there may be less of a problem as they know how much of a bonus peace has been, they may still not be on each other's Christmas card lists but they are now talking (most of the time anyway).

Nothing has been decided yet and I still think with good will and less intransigent political dogma that a positive solution can be found.
With each post you're putting medieval flagellants to shame. You really are the most pessimistic person I know
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Agreements can be renegotiated, both sides have benefited from the peace dividend over the last almost 20 years so there may be less of a problem as they know how much of a bonus peace has been, they may still not be on each other's Christmas card lists but they are now talking (most of the time anyway).
Okay, but you keep dodging the question.

The key part of the Good Friday Agreement, the thing that makes it work, the thing that stops the violence, is that open border.

Brexiteers are saying that the border must close, to stop free movement and allow UK regulations to diverge from EU ones.

No-one in the entire world has come up with a solution to this. At best we have daft ideas like number plate cameras that will magically stop Romanians and chlorinated chicken crossing the border.

It's fine to say it can be negotiated, but you have to have something to negotiate first. What is your proposed solution that you want the EU to agree to?

If you want to just rip up the Good Friday Agreement and go back to violence and the near certain break up of the UK that's fine. It's your opinion, I won't mock it. Someone said the Good Friday Agreement is worth sacrificing, and I respect them for being clear and honest about that. If you have some other plan let's hear that too.
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:38 AM   #3433
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Okay, but you keep dodging the question.

It's fine to say it can be negotiated, but you have to have something to negotiate first. What is your proposed solution that you want the EU to agree to?
Not really, coming up with solutions is what politicians are paid to do.

By your twisted logic there would be no change allowed in the world in case it caused problems to some existing treaty.

The British people voted for a change, it's up to our politicians to deliver that, what you or I may think is irrelevant as they have access to ALL the information, we are just conjecturing at best, hapless wishful thinking at worst.
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Not really, coming up with solutions is what politicians are paid to do.

By your twisted logic there would be no change allowed in the world in case it caused problems to some existing treaty.
Come on, don't be silly. I'm not against change, but not all change is the same. You are demanding that the Good Friday Agreement be torn up, and trying to pass responsibility for the resulting violence and strife on to politicians doesn't shift the blame.

So let's just see if I have your position corect. You want out of the custom's union. You accept that this is incompatible with the Good Friday Agreement as it stands. You expect politicans to come up with a solution to this seemingly impossible problem, despite the fact that no one else in the entire world has been able to. You feel this absolves you of responsibility for this demand, as presumably when the first bomb goes off you will blame the EU somehow.

Is that a fair assessment?
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Come on, don't be silly. I'm not against change, but not all change is the same. You are demanding that the Good Friday Agreement be torn up, and trying to pass responsibility for the resulting violence and strife on to politicians doesn't shift the blame.

So let's just see if I have your position corect. You want out of the custom's union. You accept that this is incompatible with the Good Friday Agreement as it stands. You expect politicans to come up with a solution to this seemingly impossible problem, despite the fact that no one else in the entire world has been able to. You feel this absolves you of responsibility for this demand, as presumably when the first bomb goes off you will blame the EU somehow.

Is that a fair assessment?
Er no it isn't, pay attention at the back of the class will you

If a bomb goes off anywhere the knob who plants it is solely responsible, your whining "you will blame the EU somehow" comment is typical of the soft underbelly of the Remain camp.

I haven't anywhere demanded the Good Friday treaty be torn up, all I have said is that treaties can be amended as circumstances change over time. You find anywhere where I said what you are prattling on about.

Yes, I DO expect politicians to sort it out as it was that diehard remain tosspot Cameron who promised and delivered the referendum (a rare occasion where a politician actually kept their word), at that time HMG should have looked into the blatantly obvious to anyone with a working brain "what if" scenario. How Brexit is actually achieved is up to HMG, simples.

Even Cameron has changed his tune recently
David Cameron: Brexit's turned out 'less badly than first thought'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42806207

If you have any beef about the current situation then I kindly suggest you write a very stern letter to your MP and demand your voice is heard above the 17.4 million Leave voters
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:11 PM   #3436
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I haven't anywhere demanded the Good Friday treaty be torn up, all I have said is that treaties can be amended as circumstances change over time.
Okay, but it's been explained to you that the GFA can't be altered to allow what you want without completely destroying the foundation on which it is built.

This is called magical thinking. Wave your hands, someone will figure it out for you and everything will be fine. Reality and hard facts are no obstacle.

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Yes, I DO expect politicians to sort it out as it was that diehard remain tosspot Cameron who promised and delivered the referendum (a rare occasion where a politician actually kept their word), at that time HMG should have looked into the blatantly obvious to anyone with a working brain "what if" scenario. How Brexit is actually achieved is up to HMG, simples.
On the one hand the HMG has demonstrated that it's completely incompetent and clueless, and promised you something it can't possibly deliver*. Now you are expect HMC to suddenly become a bunch of geniuses able to solve this intractable problem that no one else in the entire world has a solution to.

That's some quite profound doublethink right there. Love the way you end it with "simples", possibly the least appropriate word in the English language.
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Love the way you end it with "simples", possibly the least appropriate word in the English language.

Why thanks for noticing that, it was merely an appropriate reply to you as you cannot seem to accept the simple concept that political decisions are for politicians to make. Only time will tell if those decisions were correct, I trust their reading of the situation more than I would yours.

Swapping posts with you is just like platting fog
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Martin Selmayr, a German lawyer and until now Chief of Staff to Junker has been appointed by the College of Commissioners to be Secretary General of the European Commission. The most powerful man in Europe appointed with no questions asked of any of the member states.

And the numb nuts wonder why we want out.
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Martin Selmayr, a German lawyer and until now Chief of Staff to Junker has been appointed by the College of Commissioners to be Secretary General of the European Commission. The most powerful man in Europe appointed with no questions asked of any of the member states.
He's a civil servant. We don't consult MPs or devolved governments on their appointments either. You didn't have a say in who gets UK civil servant jobs, did you?

Talk about a double standard. One measure for us, a different one for the EU.
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