Do you respect pornographers?

[luddite]

I know what you're saying.
Linda Lovelace made a few thousand for making "Deep Throat" while "the pornographers" made millions.
Hugh Hefner has a mansion, and some former playmates are turning tricks.

[Mal Hombre]

I also make the distinction between Porn performers and Pornographers per se,Whilst I respect and err....admire the any woman who will have sex on camera for the pleasure of perfect strangers,I find most manufacturers and certainly purveyors of porn to be pretty reprehensible.

[Sharkhunter]

It's not so much respect for pornographers, more respect for the material they produce. I have enjoyed pornography for years, and without the work of pornographers I would be missing something that, in truth, keeps me sane.

[Baranovich]

Originally Posted by birchplow

That doesn't make much sense. I enjoy looking at porn as well, but I see no reason to respect someone that's trying to poison me, even if I enjoy the poison.

Would you support laws that sought to make porn illegal? I would. But I might still try to get some on the black market. But I would be glad if it was illegal.

I think that we are defining and using the word "respect" in different ways.

I don't look at pornographers as poisoning me. I view it as we have a modern society in which we've taken a natural biological instinct, and choked it and twisted it with rules, conditions, criteria, judgement, status, etc. that make it harder for people to connect on any real level. Sex is as old as man itself. It is not a human want, it is a human NEED.

Pornography grew out of the mindset of making money, but also out of recognizing a need for an outlet for people's natural desires.

Now, because of technology allowing us, or compelling us to isolate from each other even more, pornography is becoming a piece of a socially isolated lifestyle which can become unhealthy if the solitary act of masturbating to porn takes precedence over actual social connections with real people. That goes for all things in life. A virtual hug obviously can't compare with the feeling and sense of belonging that an actual hug provides. Jerking off to a girl on your screen with perfect tits and makeup, while it can be very pleasurable, doesn't compare with all of the sensations of being with a real woman.

Here's where I think you and I diverge in our use of the word "respect".

Every single day, we all buy and consume things that we know are made in third world countries by people making pennies per hour and living in conditions so hopeless that most of us would kill ourselves if we had to endure working in that kind of hopelessness. Yet, that doesn't seem to stop anybody from buying PC's, cell phones, I Pads, coffee pots, DVD players, flat screen TV's. Out of sight, out of mind.

The same goes for food, clothing, you name it. We live in a world that by its very own paradigm is corrupt. We happen to be the lucky ones who are on the receiving end of it. Half the world lives in poverty so that the other half can live in prosperity. That's not an accidental condition. It is quite by design. Poverty doesn't happen, poverty is REQUIRED so that others can have affluence.

As the late, great comedian George Carlin said,

"Save the planet??? We haven't even learned how to take care of each other yet!"

Indeed. There's not much on this planet that isn't corrupt. I acknowledge that. The good old American way of life is in itself based on corruption and on the suffering of others. Anybody who doesn't recognize the truth of that is in denial in my opinion.

So in the end, no I don't disrespect pornographers. They are simply doing what we are all trying to do. Make money in a paradigm that requires money to survive. And they are tapping into the instinct of sex to make that money. Just as a fast food chain taps into the instinct of hunger to make money. Or any industry that taps into our instincts to compel us to buy their products.

I am simply saying that I acknowledge the corrupt paradigm I live in. I cannot judge others for what I too consume and embrace.

[dethtongue]

Respect pornographers?

More than some politicians or lobbyists.

I don't buy that its inherently destructive or negative although being widely grounded in western culture has added the churches influence of shame and guilt into the equation. Something even now we find hard to separate from the titillation or excitement naked boobies causes us.

I think degrading pornography is destructive, but I also think blaming it for a persons problems is a lot like blaming Judas Priest for teen suicide. You could argue just as strong a case ready instant access to vast amounts of pornography does a lot to keep people same and reasonably well adjusted.

[Mal Hombre]

Originally Posted by dethtongue

You could argue just as strong a case ready instant access to vast amounts of pornography does a lot to keep people same and reasonably well adjusted.

You wouldn't know it from viewing this forum sometimes...

[winebeavis]

Originally Posted by luddite

I know what you're saying.
* * * Hugh Hefner has a mansion, and some former playmates are turning tricks.

Details please. I might need to check this out. . research you know.

I don't have any greater or lesser level of respect for them than I do any other profession. I'd imagine for most of them it's just about making some quick cash.

Mostly indifferent and not really hung up on it either way. I guess we all have our druthers on which way we'd like to make money, so I'm not going to judge.

[teaktop]

The french bloke {not naming names} who does the casting in hotel rooms , his comments about some girls ,especially the ones that resisted his gallic charms ,are downright creepy..imo

[knobby109]

Originally Posted by luddite

I know what you're saying.
Linda Lovelace made a few thousand for making "Deep Throat" while "the pornographers" made millions.
Hugh Hefner has a mansion, and some former playmates are turning tricks.

It surely boils down to the individuals. I don't know any porn people but I am in regular contact with a couple of Playmates. They are decent (this comes through very clearly) very hard working people, happily married and bringing up their kids well. I have immense respect for them.Other PMs seem to have lost their heads and got themselves into a right mess.

[bjadoo]

I think it helps to keep guys from procreating with ugly women.