Militant Islamists

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by savage560

Remember this past election for president, it does speak of 2 nations, not only those who come from CA or some of the left or right coasts, "watered down" populaces.

I am going to push back against the "Two Americas" theory. What is happening is the political class have skewed the political spectrum at the whim of the donor to the point where the poor and working classes are left unrepresented and thus fewer people are participating in the process. A lot of the left did not see Hillary as representing them, not because she was soft on the border. Her husband was the one who initially started the buildup at the border in the first place, but because they felt that she was going to sell them down the river the opportunity its she had. You look at NAFTA, the crime bill, Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act and their effects and you can see why. As it relates to the election Trump winning was not an indication that people wanted mass deportations and travel bans as much as they wanted their economic situations to improve. The Democratic message was "Things are just fine" while Trump was "I am going to fix things" a lot of people did not really believe him,but we're willing to take a chance.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

I am going to push back against the "Two Americas" theory. What is happening is the political class have skewed the political spectrum at the whim of the donor to the point where the poor and working classes are left unrepresented and thus fewer people are participating in the process.

IMO we are trapped by the two party system as we have anything but two poles of opinion. What is disheartening as that we wound up with such a poor choice. Mrs. Clinton is widely disliked and distrusted, thus a very poor candidate. I am still trying to wrap my head around the idea that a man who was widely know for stiffing his suppliers and lenders, being dishonest in his business dealings, and widely suspected of bribing public officials and committing tax fraud was somehow going to operate in the interests of working people. Predictably, he is revealing himself to be the most personally corrupt individual ever elected president.

We are also trapped in the idea that amateurs are competent to run the country. I suggest going online and looking at the course work required for degrees in political science. I would suggest that more traditional economic theory be added to the curricula. Business is really quite simple. Income must always exceed costs to stay in business. Neither can government always operate at a deficit. Keynes' theory was that budget surpluses should be accumulated in good times to allow for deficit spending in bad times. Unfortunately, John Maynard Keynes did not understand the political reality that elected officials in representative governments would be inclined to run deficits until bankruptcy. The Chinese began moving towards professionally trained government officials under the influence of Confucius 2500 years ago. We ought to do the same and insist on the highest possible ethical and intellectual standards.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

I am still trying to wrap my head around the idea that a man who was widely know for stiffing his suppliers and lenders, being dishonest in his business dealings, and widely suspected of bribing public officials and committing tax fraud was somehow going to operate in the interests of working people. Predictably, he is revealing himself to be the most personally corrupt individual ever elected president.

This just illustrates how epically bad trade deals were for workers and to have it originally signed by the side that was supposed to be on your side only to fast forward almost 25 years and you seeing history trying to repatriation itself with Hillary and the TPPO Looming, how could we really be surprised?

Originally Posted by Brian249x

We are also trapped in the idea that amateurs are competent to run the country. I suggest going online and looking at the course work required for degrees in political science. I would suggest that more traditional economic theory be added to the curricula. Business is really quite simple. Income must always exceed costs to stay in business. Neither can government always operate at a deficit. Keynes' theory was that budget surpluses should be accumulated in good times to allow for deficit spending in bad times. Unfortunately, John Maynard Keynes did not understand the political reality that elected officials in representative governments would be inclined to run deficits until bankruptcy. The Chinese began moving towards professionally trained government officials under the influence of Confucius 2500 years ago. We ought to do the same and insist on the highest possible ethical and intellectual standards.

I don't really see competency as really being the problem but more a question of structural integrity. The influence of money in everything from campaign contributions to the revolving door has really subverted the purpose of the elected officials. It sort of reminds me of a dirty cop. No way can you expect a cop on the take to properly do his or her job when their "outside revenue stream (s) are involed. Being an elected public officials is going to be no different.

[Devius]

Explosions at the funeral in Kabul of a man who died during a protest on Friday have killed at least six people and injured dozens, officials say.

The blasts hit the funeral of a senator's son, one of five people killed when police fired on a protest against deteriorating security.

The chief executive of Afghanistan, Abdullah Abdullah, was at the funeral. His office said he was unhurt.

The latest violence came as much of Kabul is in lockdown.

Officials had warned people to stay away from demonstrations, saying they might be attacked by militants. Checkpoints have been set up in central of Kabul, and armoured vehicles are patrolling the streets.

It was not clear what caused the three explosions at the funeral, and no group has said it was behind them. At least 87 people were wounded, the health ministry said.

Some reports suggest the number of dead could be higher than six.

Details:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40142606

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by savage560

"Brechty boy" can ONLY see my side as a bashing, but in actuality, I more mildly tried to enlighten "X man", of his personal attacks on me, & pointed out that they are not relevant to this particular thread. (Well now I know , at least someone can see the inequity here, to those who do not believe in what they are "expected" to believe & write on this forum.)So as usual , he hides behind what all of us do, lets be truthful, & attacks me, ONLY. Because he doesn't like my POV on just about anything. Its the usual thing to do here, as those like "scoundy", often did too,state he didn't didn't agree with many of my posts, at the time posted. But then strangely, he would thank some of those posts I made, many months after I had posted them, that again he even would repudiate at the time I posted them.

Breaking news! Savage560 deplores personal attacks on a VEF discussion thread.





In matters of debate on the internet, the action of making personal attacks against an opponent in a discussion is called "flaming". As we all know, Savage560 would never do such a thing.

Originally Posted by savage560

For example:Another member here,was you know, the usual "highly educated" Philosopher , "higher up in management", one who constantly spewed out Latin phrases ,you know, our usual "porn forum genius" we have here, called me a liar, when I posted on a thread , how the Japanese taught revisionist history about WWII. He called me names, because he disagreed with me. & then , a reluctant "scoundy" , finally came in & , said he believed I was correct. One time it DID happen!

I once after,on another thread, pointed out that past mistake of his?, & how he could possibly be wrong,on this other issue,it happened before, & he was called out for it. Well as this usual " genius of the porn forum", disagreed with me on basic issues,of a certain topic & I think it was related to this thread. His defense , was mostly the usual tactic of the left, he personally insulted me,& because of his excellence, in most everything,he knew better,of course, & as stated attacked me.& as usual, a certain mod , took up sides against me, only me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uS5...Y&spfreload=10

Originally Posted by savage560

I tried, at one time to just give links & of sources & facts, to promote/defend my views , but if they were not of the very liberal POV or from "PC Police" type sources ,& I was told not to do that either, because "scoundy" ,( I believe he was the one?) stated to me in a PM, that he wanted my statements , instead of sources.

Any fool can copy and paste a youtube link (even me); it takes an intellectual exercise to make a statement of opinion based on reason and logic. You can do it if you try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELDqIyrtNA

Originally Posted by savage560

Well back to the THREAD here, another terror attack, another tragedy that really doesn't affect us personally & all we here can only say, is the lame old crap like , "We are with you", "London Strong", "Our prayers are with you", you know the SOS, that doesn't mount to a hill of beans. We in the US are IMHO , fortunate that a certain candidate didn't win , to get her agenda of bringing 65,000 people from a certain so called "religious" group here, pronto, as she factually stated. Then she by many sources , stated she wanted many more in her hopeful years as POTUS followed. Some stated a million?

I heard Brit newscasters today on the "tele" (you dudes still say that?), or maybe they were in Law enforcement there(?),state that better surveillance is direly needed of many Muhammadans in GB, stated up to 20,000 there, who are on the "watch" list, for possible terrorism. Then a couple of them stated it takes 60 people to do that for everyone of those on that watch list! Now "Xman" take care of your health first, you're a sick man you know, get well, BOL. I know you "dimey", go argue with those guys about that "60 man statement",because I'm sure both of you know much better than these experts,& that it couldn't take that many people to do that job. But for God's sake, don't shoot the messenger!

"Xman", don't tell me how Trump has flopped on issues & he IS the only man or woman in office that did ! They ALL do, including your choice for "prez", that was a LOOSER!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKzav3XDBxo


Lets see WHAT she really did,& said, why not?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNZBAWpCmk4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-OS0ax2Ojw&t=119s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Cwma6l0HQ

Ohhh, its "youtube" & "Xman" doesn't like that source, even though a link or 2 is Hillary's own words! Ohhhh "dimey", I know you think she is a saint & could have led you to the "promised land", just most of America, besides CA didn't! Deal with it , be an American, for American citizens & do what you can. Even if it means to sponsor some illegals in your home ,or if you feel so strongly for Muslim immigrants, bring some here to , at your expense.

Maybe, just maybe now , apologetic GB & Europe gets the picture? Naw, if its as usual, not them or theirs killed or injured, its still the PC business as usual.

We say "telly" by the way.

We have been dealing with terrorist acts over here for a long time now and we don't panic and we don't indulge in random temper tantrums. We certainly do not seek to victimise people who were not involved.

We managed to retain our friendship with the USA when thousands of US citizens were actively supporting the Provisional IRA, including Senator Edward Kennedy (in the Oxford English Dictionary the expression "Worthless Gobshite" is defined as "Senator Edward Kennedy"). At no time did we forbid US citizens to come here, though we did and do ban a certain Martin Galvin, who remains an enemy of my country and whom I would happily welcome here to face terrorism charges. We have learned over time that reckless generalisation and mass reprisals are counter-productive to the core aim, which is to defend our society against malignant scum such as the latest three new arrivals in paradise. This is common sense, not PC business as usual. On the other hand, whenever we are successful in identifying specific bad actors, these will find out that we British are nothing like as nice as we seem.

But you already know that, Savage, don't you?

[nudgenudge]

Nick Clegg blocked terror laws banning extremists from universities

Every time that pompous prick Clegg is interviewed I wish the reporter would ask him if he still thinks he was right

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by savage560

News flash to the scoundy man (woman?)

I have a Y chromosome, Savage.

Originally Posted by savage560

PS: Remember when I made the mistake of writing "Surf" instead of "Serf" , you were the first to ridicule me, you rascal. You couldn't pass that one up,& you stated that, just as other "geniuses" here cannot pass up any grammatical mistake I make to promote their omnipotence. Then I caught you, of all people making a misspelling of a relatively easy word too, the great scoundy, no less! I do have a fairly good memory.

Looking on the bright side, you engraved it in your memory and will discuss serfdom as a feudal institution over a beer after you have finished surfing for the evening in Hawaii. Sadly, I shall never surf because I cannot swim.

[Wendigo]

Weird sight on television just now, a Muslim woman who is a law student was being interviewed and she stated Muslims need to do more to integrate with our society, what pissed on those cornflakes was she was wearing a full burqa with only her eyes showing.
Well done there madam, that's a really great way to integrate
Orwellian Doublespeak at its best

[Devius]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

Weird sight on television just now, a Muslim woman who is a law student was being interviewed and she stated Muslims need to do more to integrate with our society, what pissed on those cornflakes was she was wearing a full burqa with only her eyes showing.
Well done there madam, that's a really great way to integrate
Orwellian Doublespeak at its best

I saw that too on BBC News - my reaction was "how the hell can we get to know each other, when all I can see are your eyes?"

[howerd]

Originally Posted by nudgenudge

Nick Clegg blocked terror laws banning extremists from universities

Every time that pompous prick Clegg is interviewed I wish the reporter would ask him if he still thinks he was right

'That which can be claimed without evidence may be denied without evidence' - Christopher Hitchens

Now I'm not going to go out & out to say your claim isn't remotely true Nudge Nudge but it would be kinda nice to see some reliable citation for the source of your claim regarding Clegg (a man who's party I have no intention to vote for soon anyway). Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence don't they or should we just accept everything we read written on that giant digital toilet wall called 'the internet' where anyone can claim anything about someone who's not here to defend their reputation?