Current or modern politics in the United States

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by vannax

Salon is staffed by insane people. I remember reading a few articles about the evils of cultural appropriation there.
Hurricanes have not been getting more violent, it is simply that more stuff is being built in their paths. That's called "confirmation bias".
Pipelines are the safest way to move oil, much safer than any other way. I guess the Sioux and Nebraska farmers prefer the more dangerous trains. Good for them.
The beaches in the Gulf of Mexico seem OK:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=gulf+o...3BF5764FC54AB3

I assure you that the beaches of Santa Barbara have never recovered. They now are covered with dark oily sand. Oil covered birds and marine life continue to wash ashore as the oil rigs routinely have "accidents."

The problem for the Sioux is that the pipeline was rerouted and the new route has the pipeline running directly through the portion of the Missouri River that provides their water supply. It is true that oil pipelines are safer and less polluting than rail transport, but all the pipelines leak. The Dakota Access pipeline in question recently spilled 50,000 gallons of oil when it sprang a leak in a section close to the oil fields. As for the Keystone pipeline, I have never understood why the tar sands oil was not being refined in Canada rather than transported over a thousand miles to refineries in the Gulf. Wouldn't you rather keep the refinery jobs in Canada? If new refineries need to be built, couldn't Canada use the construction jobs, too?

BTW, is Canada alarmed by the Trump ending NAFTA? Last I checked 20% of Canada's GDP was generated by exports to the U.S. Relocating auto plants back to the U.S. from Canada would be a pretty big blow, wouldn't it? I also saw where Trump urged U.S. drug companies to raise prices and stop Canadian "freeloading" on research paid for by U.S. consumers.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15F13K

In another post you accuse Time magazine of being "fake news" and claim that they had called Tibetan resistance fighters terrorists. I happen to be a Time subscriber and could not recall the articles you claim were printed. I consulted their archives and discovered that they reported the Chinese government accusing the native Tibetan resistance of being "terrorists." (Most of us regard the Chinese government of engaging in state sponsored terrorism against the Tibetans.) Time has reported on Buddhists in Myanmar engaging in terrorist acts against the Muslim minority in that nation..

I find it very strange that the extreme right has decided that Time magazine is part of the "liberal media" The magazine has a long history as a mouthpiece for the Republican establishment dating back to its founder, Henry Luce, who never missed an opportunity to to condemn FDR. Do you regard Time's sister publication Fortune magazine as left wing, too? How about the Wall Street Journal and U.S. News & World Report?

[SanteeFats]

Aw both sides are so sweet.

[vannax]

What a surprise, leftist brown-shirts riot and burn over a gay Jewish immigrant with a black boyfreind:

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/0...opters-appear/


From all the tweets of support by prominent leftists, the left can't even do their standard disavowing act.

[vannax]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Aw both sides are so sweet.

I look forward to all the lawsuits against the fashion folk for refusing to dress the Trump women.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by vannax

I look forward to all the lawsuits against the fashion folk for refusing to dress the Trump women.

Do Hugo Boss have a women's fashion line?

[diamelsx]

South Dakota lawmakers overturn voter-approved anti-corruption ballot measurein in emergency session. I guess the will of the people doesn't mean anything anymore.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by vannax

What a surprise, leftist brown-shirts riot and burn over a gay Jewish immigrant with a black boyfreind:

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/0...opters-appear/


From all the tweets of support by prominent leftists, the left can't even do their standard disavowing act.

Breitbart is staffed by Neo-Nazis. I would no more take them at face value than I would thinkprogress.org or rt.com.

Originally Posted by diamelsx

South Dakota lawmakers overturn voter-approved anti-corruption ballot measurein in emergency session. I guess the will of the people doesn't mean anything anymore.

Anyone who has read Howard Zinn's A Peoples History of the United States will note that it rarely has.

[vannax]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

Breitbart is staffed by Neo-Nazis. I would no more take them at face value than I would thinkprogress.org or rt.com.

I'm curious as to how anyone can characterize proponents of small, limited government as NAZI's.
You want the ACA, a National Socialist health-care system. I would prefer to see the government out of the health-care business, and education, and infrastructure, and drug legislation, and firearm legislation, and marriage, and abortion, etc. You want big government, I want small government.
To quote Benito Mussolini "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
That's fascism. By putting a hiring freeze on the feds, Trump is acting in a specifically anti-fascist fashion.
Now, how can you characterize people who wants smaller government as fascists, and those who want an even bigger, more intrusive government as anti-fascists?

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by vannax

I'm curious as to how anyone can characterize proponents of small, limited government as NAZI's.
You want the ACA, a National Socialist health-care system. I would prefer to see the government out of the health-care business, and education, and infrastructure, and drug legislation, and firearm legislation, and marriage, and abortion, etc. You want big government, I want small government.
To quote Benito Mussolini "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
That's fascism. By putting a hiring freeze on the feds, Trump is acting in a specifically anti-fascist fashion.
Now, how can you characterize people who wants smaller government as fascists, and those who want an even bigger, more intrusive government as anti-fascists?

OK, I was just repeating what other folks have said about Breitbart.

It is my opinion that small limited government is unworkable in a world dominated by multi-national corporations. Corporations are designed to provide legal immunity for managers and investors from criminal acts. Minimal government will leave the populace completely at the mercy of corporations. Having spent a lifetime in and around multinational corporations, I cannot say that mercy is a quality that comes to mind regarding corporate behavior.

Point of order: I have always thought that the ACA is a deeply flawed piece of legislation. It is a jerry rigged monstrosity that allows various players in the healthcare field to continue reaping outsize profits at the expense of the public. It has always been doomed. Corporations keep profits high by restricting access to healthcare.

Just checked the web. It appears that the Canadian system is poorly designed. The article below notes that other industrial nations are providing universal access with better outcomes and without the wait times at a lower cost than the Canadian system. I smell a rat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-...b_3733080.html

I want a healthcare system like they have in Germany or Japan. I do not know if the United States has trained enough providers to serve its population. We may need to start with a more limited system until we can train enough people to staff it.

The United States government has 2.7 million non-military workers according to the Office of Personnel Management. In 1962 it had 2.5 million workers. The population has increased from 179.3 million in 1960 to 308.7 million in 2010. Where is the bloat? Relative costs have gone up because work has been outsourced to private contractors and there are more managers per worker nowadays. Perhaps a cost/benefit analysis should be done on the outsourcing and more jobs transferred back to the pubic sector.

I am not in favor of a big government per se, just one big big enough to "form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

[vannax]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

OK, I was just repeating what other folks have said about Breitbart.

It is my opinion that small limited government is unworkable in a world dominated by multi-national corporations. Corporations are designed to provide legal immunity for managers and investors from criminal acts. Minimal government will leave the populace completely at the mercy of corporations. Having spent a lifetime in and around multinational corporations, I cannot say that mercy is a quality that comes to mind regarding corporate behavior.

Point of order: I have always thought that the ACA is a deeply flawed piece of legislation. It is a jerry rigged monstrosity that allows various players in the healthcare field to continue reaping outsize profits at the expense of the public. It has always been doomed. Corporations keep profits high by restricting access to healthcare.

Just checked the web. It appears that the Canadian system is poorly designed. The article below notes that other industrial nations are providing universal access with better outcomes and without the wait times at a lower cost than the Canadian system. I smell a rat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-...b_3733080.html

I want a healthcare system like they have in Germany or Japan. I do not know if the United States has trained enough providers to serve its population. We may need to start with a more limited system until we can train enough people to staff it.

The United States government has 2.7 million non-military workers according to the Office of Personnel Management. In 1962 it had 2.5 million workers. The population has increased from 179.3 million in 1960 to 308.7 million in 2010. Where is the bloat? Relative costs have gone up because work has been outsourced to private contractors and there are more managers per worker nowadays. Perhaps a cost/benefit analysis should be done on the outsourcing and more jobs transferred back to the pubic sector.

I am not in favor of a big government per se, just one big big enough to "form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

Corporations are government-created entities, unlike, say, companies. There is a big difference between a corporation and a company. Corporate law is a state thing. It is the state that gives them limited liability protection, and so on.

How about a limited government that only has a few courts, and national defense, and no incestuous crap like the corporate/bank/state shit we see now?
Power, unlike wealth, is a zero-sum game. Wealth is a positive-sum game.

Myself, I think that if we used free-market principles to distribute power we would see a positive change. That was the idea behind the 2A, but it didn't go far enough, IMHO.