Current or modern politics in the United States - Page 279

**bowlinggreen** · June 5th, 2018, 12:06 PM

Deer, while a native species here, can become quite pestiferous where I live. Since we killed off the mountain lion and the wolves, their only remaining predator is the admittedly sizeable deer hunting community.

Regardless of that, they will lay waste to rural gardens, and it's not uncommon even to see them in town.

Crows have made a big comeback here in recent years too. You'll see flocks of hundreds of them about nowadays. In winter, they will fly into towns to roost as well. The stink of the droppings under their roosting trees is unbelievably nasty to the point of making you gag.

Unknowledgeable persons who park their cars under said roosting trees are always in for a very unpleasant surprise. I've seen cars underneath that look like they have literally been driven through a storm of crow shit. I don't even want to think about what that is doing to the paint job.

**SanteeFats** · June 5th, 2018, 04:26 PM

Sorry gents but I think you are straying off topic now.

**bowlinggreen** · June 5th, 2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Sorry gents but I think you are straying off topic now.

Not if the crows and the starlings vote Republican. You know, for their right to shit on you.

**Arturo2nd** · June 5th, 2018, 07:46 PM

We are having our primary election in California today. Over the past couple of years I have been researching our pols more closely. Let us just say that I am singularly unimpressed by those putting themselves forward.

As for my outrage and disgust with both our elected leaders and the investor class, I offer the following articles on private prisons in the United States.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/..._US_collection

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...trump-tax-bill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison

When I become king, I will be looking for a Ramsay Bolton type to mete out justice to certain people.

**bowlinggreen** · June 5th, 2018, 09:26 PM

^ Private prisons are classed as REITs for tax purposes?

Like they are renting out hotel rooms or timeshare condos?

The madness continues, and increases.

**deepsepia** · June 6th, 2018, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by xyzde69

Human markets are highly damaging ecosystems.

What is a market?

People deciding what they want to pay, for what.

Markets and agriculture are what give rise to human civilization.

You may prefer life as a hunter/gatherer. . . that's all you have, without markets.

Written language begins some five thousand years ago, as an accounting system.

Markets are NOT ecosystems. They're just buyers and sellers meeting to determine who wants to pay how much for what. Five thousand years after the first markets, we haven't found an alternative.

**bowlinggreen** · June 6th, 2018, 03:32 PM

^ But according to xyzde69, we have. All the potential sellers turn their saleable goods in to the central government. After siphoning off all the good stuff for themselves, the government redistributes the remnants to the other potential buyers. If the sellers complain, they get shot or sent to the gulag.

**theequestrian** · June 6th, 2018, 03:48 PM

Currently it can be best described as:
The Unhinged leading the unstrung & unwilling into the unknown
Or, in a word: Fucked

**deepsepia** · June 6th, 2018, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

^ But according to xyzde69, we have. All the potential sellers turn their saleable goods in to the central government. After siphoning off all the good stuff for themselves, the government redistributes the remnants to the other potential buyers. If the sellers complain, they get shot or sent to the gulag.

Laughing.

That roughly described what the Communists tried to do, but in fact they found that if they didn’t want to starve - not always an objective, I grant you- they needed markets. Pretty much every communist country was forced to permit folks to grow and to sell food, for example. And with the exception of the Khmer Rouge, they never banned cash —you don’t need cash if you don’t have a market.

And relied on international markets for their goods to earn cash.

But on US politics, with Trump we’ve seen one of the most important ideological reversals in US political history, gets lost in the other Trump noise, but it’s important. The Republican Party used to be free traders. They were, for the most part, devoted to open markets, and opposed to government intervention and industrial policy “picking winners and losers”

Trump u-turned this policy, and it remains unclear where the Party will end up. What would they do if, say, there was another financial crisis? Would they bail out car companies? Banks? At the moment, extraordinarily, they appear to be considering bailing out coal producers, by forcing electric utilities to buy energy at higher prices from old coal plants rather than more cheaply from natgas or solar.

Republicans used to be clear, if occasionally opportunistically insincere on markets— now it’s n unknown.

**Arturo2nd** · June 6th, 2018, 10:10 PM

Trump's 16th century mercantile trade policy are not going over well with many traditionally Republican constituencies and, hence, their congressional representatives.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/05/61725...trade-policies

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...rsight-n880701

http://wtvr.com/2018/05/31/trump-tra...commerce-says/

https://af.reuters.com/article/africaTech/idAFL1N1R00G8

I am rather surprised that the Wharton School of Business has not disavowed or revoked his diploma. But the rumor is that his dad made a sizable "donation" to get him admitted. His grades at Fordham had to be at least C average to be transferable.

June 5th, 2018, 12:06 PM	#2781
bowlinggreen Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 4,192 Thanks: 48,676 Thanked 49,167 Times in 4,188 Posts	Deer, while a native species here, can become quite pestiferous where I live. Since we killed off the mountain lion and the wolves, their only remaining predator is the admittedly sizeable deer hunting community. Regardless of that, they will lay waste to rural gardens, and it's not uncommon even to see them in town. Crows have made a big comeback here in recent years too. You'll see flocks of hundreds of them about nowadays. In winter, they will fly into towns to roost as well. The stink of the droppings under their roosting trees is unbelievably nasty to the point of making you gag. Unknowledgeable persons who park their cars under said roosting trees are always in for a very unpleasant surprise. I've seen cars underneath that look like they have literally been driven through a storm of crow shit. I don't even want to think about what that is doing to the paint job. __________________ So much porn, so little time...

June 5th, 2018, 09:26 PM	#2785
bowlinggreen Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 4,192 Thanks: 48,676 Thanked 49,167 Times in 4,188 Posts	^ Private prisons are classed as REITs for tax purposes? Like they are renting out hotel rooms or timeshare condos? The madness continues, and increases. __________________ So much porn, so little time...

June 6th, 2018, 03:32 PM	#2787
bowlinggreen Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 4,192 Thanks: 48,676 Thanked 49,167 Times in 4,188 Posts	^ But according to xyzde69, we have. All the potential sellers turn their saleable goods in to the central government. After siphoning off all the good stuff for themselves, the government redistributes the remnants to the other potential buyers. If the sellers complain, they get shot or sent to the gulag. __________________ So much porn, so little time...

June 6th, 2018, 03:48 PM	#2788
theequestrian Vintage Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: A hop, skip & a jump from Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 4,807 Thanked 11,707 Times in 1,156 Posts	Currently it can be best described as: The Unhinged leading the unstrung & unwilling into the unknown Or, in a word: Fucked __________________ 'If we could read each others minds, we'd all sleep with loaded guns' -theequestrian Last edited by theequestrian; June 6th, 2018 at 03:50 PM.. Reason: elaborating the point

June 5th, 2018, 04:26 PM	#2782
SanteeFats Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Santee, Ca Posts: 60,833 Thanks: 281,852 Thanked 813,962 Times in 60,879 Posts	Sorry gents but I think you are straying off topic now.

June 5th, 2018, 07:46 PM	#2784
Arturo2nd Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Oakland, California, United States. I have a beautful view of the BART tracks and I-980 Posts: 8,955 Thanks: 103,061 Thanked 151,470 Times in 8,946 Posts	We are having our primary election in California today. Over the past couple of years I have been researching our pols more closely. Let us just say that I am singularly unimpressed by those putting themselves forward. As for my outrage and disgust with both our elected leaders and the investor class, I offer the following articles on private prisons in the United States. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/..._US_collection https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...trump-tax-bill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison When I become king, I will be looking for a Ramsay Bolton type to mete out justice to certain people.

June 6th, 2018, 10:10 PM	#2790
Arturo2nd Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Oakland, California, United States. I have a beautful view of the BART tracks and I-980 Posts: 8,955 Thanks: 103,061 Thanked 151,470 Times in 8,946 Posts	Trump's 16th century mercantile trade policy are not going over well with many traditionally Republican constituencies and, hence, their congressional representatives. https://www.npr.org/2018/06/05/61725...trade-policies https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...rsight-n880701 http://wtvr.com/2018/05/31/trump-tra...commerce-says/ https://af.reuters.com/article/africaTech/idAFL1N1R00G8 I am rather surprised that the Wharton School of Business has not disavowed or revoked his diploma. But the rumor is that his dad made a sizable "donation" to get him admitted. His grades at Fordham had to be at least C average to be transferable.