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I suppose I believe myself to be a deist, along with the founding fathers of my country. I'm a strict believer in science, I can understand the backwards progression of the current universe from the big bang on back to the first molecular reaction responsible for everything we know.
But that's where even the best of scientific theorists can reach back to. We still have no proof, or even plausible theory as to what precipitated the inevitable events of creation. This is referred to as "first cause", and no one knows the reason for it. "Ex nihil nihil est". From nothing, nothing comes. This isn't religion, this is logic. If you have a creation, you must have a creator. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. You can't make something from nothing. That's where God enters the equation to me. I cannot prove he exists, that's true. But then again, you cannot prove he doesn't exist. I don't believe in God because he revealed himself to me, or because I have any proof of his existence whatsoever. I believe because I choose to believe. Rather than believing that there's nothing besides this, I would rather live with the promise of hope. |
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They can also drive peoples apart.
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If you decide not to post that is your wish, but IMO you'd be prety safe here - unless your views are very extremist.
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Why does there have to be a god ? Would it be so bad if there was none ? I'm mostly Buddhist, I'm still learning about it by most of what I ahve read about it makes a sort of sense to me. I wouldn't really term it a religion as there is no god and no afterlife but let's not argue semantics.
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Opium for the masses, Comrade
We also need some non-terrifying way to comfort our children when they ask what happens when they die, and it's not distressing for them if they think they go to heaven and will be back with their family At any rate, it's better than telling them they will enter the food chain, and that bacteria (or wild Russians) will eat them, and they will eventually be recycled into other matter |
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Atheist since age seven
At age seven I was sent to Sunday school.
I attended twice and asked to stay home just before my third visit. I ashamedly told my parents I thought it rubbish and was surprised at their reaction. Mam said that was fine and that I didn't have to go again. The old man was beaming with pride, I couldn't believe it. I discovered in later life that both my folks are unbelievers. Not being bigots, they allowed me to form my own opinions rather than opting for the indoctrination you get in some families. Needless to say, I've not been christened. My nascent atheism was reinforced when at school I became interested in science and worked in that area until my mid-twenties.
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That is a utopia you're talking about comrade. I only have to look at my own country to see religious zealots poisoning peoples minds.
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