President Donald Trump's Final Days...

[tsunamiSD]

The Republican health plan is a huge betrayal of Trump’s campaign promises

Donald Trump’s embrace of the American Health Care Act, authored by Paul Ryan and other House Republicans seemingly in collaboration with establishment-minded members of his administration, represents a massive betrayal of his own clear and repeated promises to the American people.

Trump ran and won promising to cover everyone, avoid Medicaid cuts, and boost funding for opioid abuse treatment. He is now lobbying Congress to pass a bill that does none of those things. Instead, millions will lose insurance and Medicaid spending will be sacrificed on the altar of tax cuts for the rich.

“I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid,” Trump told the conservative Daily Signal way back in May 2015. “Every other Republican is going to cut, and even if they wouldn’t, they don’t know what to do because they don’t know where the money is. I do.”

That fall, his promises got even bigger. "I am going to take care of everybody," he told 60 Minutes. "I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now."
Even after the election, Trump continued to insist that his plan was to offer patients a more generous deal than they were getting from the Affordable Care Act.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by bajaracer

This forum should stay out of politics and just stick with porn, im sure some moderator will delete this

I will not delete it but I will reply. If you do not care for threads of this type just stay out of them. No one forces any one to enter any thread.
There are threads here I avoid like crazy myself. If threads that a few members didn't like and were removed how many threads do you think would be left??

[seany65]

Originally Posted by bajaracer

This forum should stay out of politics and just stick with porn, im sure some moderator will delete this

Nah. All sorts of stuff is allowed here, pics, videos, discussions, all ranging from porn through history, films, tv programmes, war, politics, philosphy, computing etc. Posters just need to remember the rules and be nice and respectful and if they can't be, then they are supposed bite their lip and swear at each other 'under their breath' and not post it.

[diamelsx]

Bringing in the process of his father's transition to this healthcare discussion puts a personal spin on it.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by savage560

by other sources , that is other than given by the standard media, "controlled" by the Soros & Saudi funded enclaves,& their overwhelming lefty opinionated slants.

It was Trump, who said we must end tax payers funding of sanctuary cities.

Savage560, please get your facts straight. The #1 rated news network in the U.S. is Fox News of Roger Ailes fame, owned and controlled by arch conservative Rupert Murdoch. The McClatchy's control the newspapers in 29 cities and are also very conservative. Digital First Media, another conservative news organization, controls the newspapers read by 66 million subscribers. The Associated Press tries its best to be scrupulously objective, (read their style book), but is often co-opted by the government in order to maintain access. The Washington Post, New York Times, and San Francisco Chronicle are left leaning, as is to be expected given the nature of their markets. The "liberal media" is a myth. The U.S. press always has an adversarial relationship and plays "gotcha" with those in power. The Associated Press has a huge impact as its copy provides so much of what is printed and reported by the broadcasters, but the news organizations edit, write the headlines, and choose where to place the AP's reporting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_McClatchy_Company

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_First_Media

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press

Point #2 Please be reminded that I am on record as advocating criminal prosecution for elected officials and law enforcement officers who refuse to do their sworn duty to enforce the nation's laws.

Originally Posted by savage560

If he does not do what he said he is going to do, which for the most part he is now & give the man some slack, he's been in office for only a month & a half, will you lead the charge to remove him?Constitutionaly you can, with arms too!He was elected by the US citzens to do the things he stated, remember that.

Seeing how badly them Dems lost,(not only in the presidential election, but they are at an all time low in congress & in governorships)

Trump is suffering the same fate as all other candidates. The checks and balances place limits on what can be done. There is no conceivable way that he will be able to deliver on his health care or infrastructure promises. IMO his trade, environmental, and immigration policies will cause severe economic disruptions, but we shall see about that, won't we. Will his base react any better than Obama's did when it became clear he had been bankrolled by Wall Street, would continue the wars in the Middle East, and couldn't close GITMO? Trump is in danger of mirroring Jimmy Carter, where his own party screws him as much as the opposition. That's what happens to outsiders.

The Dems are absolutely NOT at an all time low (see the years 1866 to 1930.) They have been marginalized in many states, which is problematic due to the resultant gerrymandering. But If the Republicans succeed in throwing millions of grandparents out on the street or into the homes of their children, I am expecting there will be a massive backlash. Nothing is more unpopular with voters than taking away goodies they are used to, (like "Obamacare," and Medicare, much less Social Security.) Do you really think the mortgage interest deduction is going away anytime soon?

When did you move to Houston? Lots of boat people settled down that way. Plus, you got the Cowboys and Mexicans galore. My ex-wife used to dread her annual August business trip down there. 100 degrees with 100% humidity may make you long for Illinois winter

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Business Insider

The FBI is examining why a computer server for a Russian bank led by oligarchs with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin had a disproportionate interest in reaching a server used by the Trump Organization during the US presidential campaign.

CNN reported on Thursday that last summer a computer server owned by the Russia-based Alfa Bank "repeatedly looked up the contact information for a computer server being used by the Trump Organization — far more than other companies did, representing 80% of all lookups to the Trump server."

Source

[liam]

Trump is a liar and a cheat.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by savage560

We are of the same generation you & I , but have vastly different outlooks on life.As a liberal on some issues & a conservative on others , just as most people in this nation are, I can never agree totally with a left only agenda & be a PC apologist for the entire W race, forever, especially those of IE origin, just like this very liberal guy!


Its very easy to see why one like you support a nanny state,Mrs. Clinton & others advocate, because correct my memory if I error about what you stated to me, you have been on a form of welfare for many years.& that's OK if one had put into the system for years,probaly like you did , at one time. But not OK for those who never did, never will , or the millions who use that life style as we have seen by the well researched facts , that you can look up too, by Mr. Molyneux, in the link I provide if you can stomach that type of facts, that contradict what the ultra liberal controlled media wants on to believe.& that pertains to those not only here , but quite evidently in Europe too.

Growing up in a family of seven kids and spending all those years in Catholic schools has definitely shaped me. We've discovered common ground before; like you I am liberal on some issues, conservative on others and radical in some areas. (But we differ on where on the spectrum we stand on some issues.) One of the difficulties in the Forum as more nuanced stances may not get expressed.

The Civil Rights movement had a major influence on me. Racism is not OK with me, But I do acknowledge that ALL races are guilty of prejudice and that I have racist attitudes and biases which leak out in certain moments. Also, the years working with folks in other countries to get the financials put together convinced me that people are pretty much the same no matter where they are from.

I do believe that we have the duty to care for the less fortunate. You would too if you had been reading the gospels for over a decade. This was my attitude before disabilities forced me into early retirement and have left me far more dependent on state programs than I like. I keep hoping to recover some level of functionality and means of generating income so that I am NOT dependent on these programs. Contrary to your beliefs, Medicaid provides only minimal care. I have been trying for several years to get treatment for conditions covered by both Medicare and Medicaid. Getting help with these ailments would create the possibility of working again and not relying on government programs. But I digress.

I am of the opinion that what you call "the nanny state" has served to disempower people in many cases. Destroying black communities and small businesses, flooding those communities with drugs, locking up the men for decades for minor offenses, thus destroying family life has created a real disaster. We are seeing the same scenario playing out in WHITE communities in the Midwest and rural South. I don't think the opiod epidemic is a government plot, but do know that drug companies are making a shit pile of money off these addicts.

To my mind, letting a small group of people hog most of the wealth, and spending huge amounts of money on a warfare is wrecking the country. I firmly believe that access to a wider range of education (meaning more vocational training opportunities) and spreading the wealth more evenly would have many people starting up small businesses to support themselves and their families. (Quite a bit is going unreported now because poor folks living hand to mouth are being paid in cash and can't afford to pay self employment taxes. Of course, that means that these people will not be collecting Social Security down the road. The cash economy shops in flea markets and thrift stores.)

I support some sort of universal health care, because my experience consolidating financial statements for international corporations has convinced me that we are placing ourselves at a competitive disadvantage with all the countries who have these programs. A few people are becoming very wealthy by gouging us for health care. Now they want to destroy public education, when our public schools made us the most powerful manufacturing nation in the world in the 19th and 20th centuries.

I am sorry but Mr. Molyneux is an Irishman in love with the sound of his own voice. There is some truth in there, but it is buried in the BS.

[tsunamiSD]

I've heard people say that Trump had this partial return leaked, as it shows him paying some taxes, instead of the none for most years. Also, doesn't declaring that 'huuuuge' amount as 'business losses' show him as either a horrible business man (considering how he didn't pay many of his small sub-contractors) or a tax-dodger?

Trump Wrote Off $100 Million In Losses In 2005, Leaked Forms Show

Mr. Trump paid $38 million in federal income taxes on reported income of $150 million, an effective tax rate of 25 percent, according to forms disclosed on Rachel Maddow’s MSNBC show. By claiming losses, Mr. Trump apparently saved millions of dollars in taxes that he would otherwise have owed.

“Trump’s return shows that he’s pushing tax changes that benefit multimillionaire heirs like him, not the middle class,” said Lily Batchelder, a tax law professor at New York University and former majority chief tax counsel for the Senate Finance Committee. “His proposal to repeal the A.M.T. would have slashed his own tax burden by $31 million, and his income tax rate would be lower than the average rate paid by families earning $75,000 to $100,000.”
Edward Kleinbard, a professor of tax law at the University of Southern California, said, “It’s disturbing that he is pushing to eliminate the only tax that really bit him in that year.”

The forms showed that Mr. Trump made $67 million in real estate royalties, $42 million in business income, $32 million in capital gains, $9 million in taxable interest and $998,599 in salary in 2005, for a total of nearly $153 million. After writing off $103 million, he reported adjusted gross income of nearly $49 million. In the end, he had to write a check for $2,450,597, including penalties and interest for late payment.

[ConstantOgler]

It's like the entire US has forgot, or never knew, that real estate developers have huge & unique tax breaks in IR Code! Where does all this ignorance come from? Yes, loopholes for all rich, but red's in class by themselves. Unlike others they don't even need offshore accounts. Trump doesn't need offshore accounts!
And these laws weren't written in secret. Everyone loves construction and development. If you ever read a newspaper you know it.
Are Murcan Peeple so thick they deserve whatever they get?

btw that return also reveals his bill would have been far less (~4MM) if not for Alternative Minimum Tax, which he has promised to eliminate! I too think he released it, but must have overlooked that. With him it's all about surface appearance.