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[steamjon]

Originally Posted by vinceprince

Against English teams Scotland football fans (club & country) always loudly boo 'God Save the Queen' which being British is officially their own national anthem which Scottish athletes have to stand for when representing Britain. In fact until the 60s it was used as the Scottish teams' anthem until all the booing made them change it.

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Here is the full lyrics of the British national anthem. Note the final verse. Maybe it should had been rewritten so it could truly be a national anthem.

I believe the 1978 Scottish football team played God Save the Queen as they were the only British representative at the football World Cup.

https://jdaviesx.wordpress.com/favou...-all-6-verses/

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by vinceprince

I wonder how Americans would react if supporters from say one state or team started to boo the National Anthem. Civil War?

It wouldn't go well. Please remember that we Americans are descendants of every nation on earth, have a variety of cultural and ethnic traditions, and are dispersed over a large geographical area with deep regional variations. What binds us together as a nation is belief in the political creed put forth by the Declaration of Independence. It is clear from the current controversy that the haves are very uncomfortable with reminders of the ways in which our country fails to live up to its ideals.

An entire region or state booing the anthem would indeed be a salvo in a civil war.

Historical background: the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner were written as a poem during the War of 1812. That poem was quickly merged with the tune of a popular drinking tune. Congress adopted the song as our national anthem in 1931, a time where the Great Depression was creating profound social stresses and many folks were advocating the adoption of a new socialist form of government. Part of the reason this hard-to-sing, martial ballad was chosen was that the song was now routinely being featured at sporting events.

Major league baseball teams had begun playing the song during the 1918 World Series. There were many critics of continuing to play games during a major war, and men of prime military age not enlisting. Playing the Star Spangled Banner was the magnates way of wrapping themselves in the flag. But the practice then, as now, culminated in rousing cheers and continued to be featured prior to all ballgames in the rest of the Series and was continued during the following season of 1919. From there it spread to other sports and now has become a well embedded custom. Lacking a long national history and identity, we Americans rely on such customs to bind us together.

It is interesting that the English view the Scots, Welsh, and Irish as "British" like themselves, but all of these subject nations harbor the memories of being separate nations who were conquered during historical times. The Scots, in particular, seem attached to the memory that the hereditary monarchs of Great Britain, the Stuarts, were overthrown by the English, and their nation retained in the union by the force of English arms..

[Meini Again]

It has been said enough.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Samuel Johnson.

For a 7 time draft-dodger, who was "declared" unfit for Vietnam Service,
BUT played College Football at the same time....... he LOVES UNIFORMS.
He LOVES the Flag
He LOVES Patriotism
And now, after Bastille Day he LOVES PARADES with Uniforms and Guns and Flypasts.....PATRIOTISM at it's best.... can't wait to see the KKK salute the POTUS in the MARCH...

His own Family draw the majority of their income from labour in 3rd World countries. THEY are ALL Patriotic though. They allow US shops to sell their product

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by steamjon

I believe the 1978 Scottish football team played God Save the Queen as they were the only British representative at the football World Cup.

Really?
I thought it was 'Ally's Tartan Army'

remember
'And we'll really shake them up
When we win the World Cup
Cause Scotland is the greatest football team!'

That's before they crashed out against the mighty Iran and Peru.

Then they were singing -
'We want our money back, we want our money back!'

Being a anti-monarchist and atheist I also find myself completely alienated by the UK National Anthem's medieval words, never mind the fucking dreary droning tune. Might as well have a verse about burning witches.

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

It is interesting that the English view the Scots, Welsh, and Irish as "British" like themselves, but all of these subject nations harbor the memories of being separate nations who were conquered during historical times. The Scots, in particular, seem attached to the memory that the hereditary monarchs of Great Britain, the Stuarts, were overthrown by the English, and their nation retained in the union by the force of English arms..

"subject nations"? Nonsense.
"overthrown by the English?" oh dear, the complexities of Britain's religious wars simplified to "English" force of arms...

It was Religion in 1603. It was Economics in 1707 and remains Economics today. Notwithstanding the fact that the Religion still had a hand to play in 1715 and 1745.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by crinolynne

"subject nations"? Nonsense.
"overthrown by the English?" oh dear, the complexities of Britain's religious wars simplified to "English" force of arms...

It was Religion in 1603. It was Economics in 1707 and remains Economics today. Notwithstanding the fact that the Religion still had a hand to play in 1715 and 1745.

We descendants of refugees from the English religious and political wars of the 17th century are taught that the Catholic Stuarts inherited the throne under the terms of Elizabeth I's will when she died unmarried and childless. All the mainlines of hereditary claims to the monarchy had exterminated each other during the Wars of the Roses. King James VI of Scotland was Elizabeth's cousin and became King James I of the United Kingdom. The English subsequently twice rebelled against the Stuarts, murdering one. Since then Parliament has selected minor German nobility as monarchs of the empire and commonwealth.

By the time of James's (II of England; VII of Scotland) reign, Scotland had become heavily Protestant and was not enamored of being ruled by a Catholic king widely believed to harbor ambitions of absolute monarchy either. Scotland had been conquered several times by the English, aided by the fact that many Scots nobles had extensive fiefs in England and vice versa. The two nations have been deeply intertwined economically, which is believed to be the primary reason for the failure of the reason plebiscite on Scottish separation and calls to revisit that question in the wake of the Brexit vote. All I am saying is that the Scots are not necessarily loyal subjects of the United Kingdom.

Let me guess, you are English, right?

[SanteeFats]

I'm confused. What do the last few posts have to do with Trump???
Maybe it is time to return to the thread topic??

[steamjon]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

I'm confused. What do the last few posts have to do with Trump???
Maybe it is time to return to the thread topic??

Maybe some of us figured that if Trump is reading this thread which is titled to be all about Trump and finds out that the discussion is not about him then the great orange narcissist might well get jolly upset

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

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Let me guess, you are English, right?

After getting my O Grade history, I dropped it in favour of Geography and the Sciences - The religious wars of the 15 and 16 hundreds were incomprehensible to me - killing over nothing for nothing. Four wasted periods a week for 4 years was quite enough of that nonsense.

Scots allegiance is to the Crown, not the United Kingdom, the English were never to be trusted. But of course, I'd say the same about Glaswegians. I would rather the status quo of blaming the London and the English for Scotland's woes than suffer the twin devils that are Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Oh, and the connection to the T man? He's half Scots, and representative of the very worst of that ilk. Glad to hear his elitist golf clubs are haemoraging money - Golf is a Scottish game, designed to be accessible all. And while I'm on it, that sexual predator and racist has no right to use the term "the Donald", that's reserved for the Clan Chief. Also, Lord Lyon of Arms will not ever approve a coat of arms for him.

[Meini Again]

The Grandson of a German Brothel-keeper in Canada

~ who ran away to the States with his dosh and became a 'Slumlord' in New York, exploiting Jewish, Polish,Russian etc, immigrants during the turmoil of European War.

Avoided the Draft...7 times... but played Football and sports at College during his 'protected status' of being UNFIT FOR VIETNAM.

Sent bodyguards to kidknap Don Jr in his estrangement from Wife 1 - Ivanka.
The bodyguards returned Don Jr within a day, after she told big-Don to keep him, as she had 2 others to raise.

All in her book