Penthouse Pets VS Playboy Playmates

[kolya]

Originally Posted by jeff4575

Phyliss was my wife from 12.31.1981 until her death on 01.16.2001...

Jeff: Phyliss was indeed a very beautiful woman, and you're a very lucky man to have spent that time with her. I'm sorry that she passed away before her time - may she rest in peace. I'm sure glad that you sent those photos to PH! Sometimes, all those beautiful pets seem too good to be real, so it sure is special to see a post from someone who was actually married to one. Thankyou.

I'm from Australia, and when in my teens back in the 80's, the very first porn magazine I ever had the pleasure of perusing through was the US PH August 1979 one. I could not believe how amazingly beautiful centrefold Diane Weber looked! I almost fainted from hormonal explosion when staring at those full-frontal shots of Diane for days and days...

A school mate of mine actually lent that magazine to me, as well as an Aussie PH magazine from the 80's. I was immediately attracted to the soft-focus photo style of the 70's US PH, and have been hooked ever since. I remember thinking how boring the Aussie 80's magazine looked by comparison. Sure, you could see the pets much clearer in bright daylight or studio lights, but it just didn't draw me in the same way. Incidentally, my school mate felt the same way, although we didn't quite understand why at the time.

When I look at PH shots from the 70's (and some from the 80's), I feel a bit like I'm a voyeur hiding in the shadows, looking at what I'm not supposed to see. The PH pets are invariably clothed to some extent, sometimes looking into the distance lost in thought, going about their daily business such as putting on make-up or checking themselves out in the mirror. Only in some shots do they look directly into the camera, with their private parts in full view, almost daring you to look at them. I find the photos moody, mysterious, smutty, imperfect and utterly intoxicating all at once! For me at least, it's just seems to be the right mix.

Having said that, I don't think that there was/is much variety to either PH or PB at all. For example, I wish that some of the pets/playmates were older women, or had a bit more flesh on them (yes, fuller-figured women if you know what I mean).

Anyway, it's 70's & 80's PH pets for me all the way, but the 70's & 80's PB playmates are certainly very beautiful too in their girl-nextdoor, airbrushed kinda way (almost vintage pin-up style). We're very lucky to have this vintage-erotica forum to access all these photos and reminisce! So thanks to all those who have made an effort to scan old magazines, scrounge the internet for photos and information, and upload everything here! Much appreciated!

[fordprefect739]

Ursula Buchfellner was in Playboy before Penthouse.

I just remembered another one: Tally Chanel posed for a Penthouse solo pictorial and later was in a few newsstand specials.

Her thread:

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?t=37523

[bigtrain45]

My contention is that the models got paid to pose nude, and were, by the mid 70's, willing to show everything, and it was just the editorial and style decisions of Hef and Gooch that made the difference. Deanna Baker is a perfect example. She was a PMOM in playboy, shot very much girl-next-door style, then she did PH a year or two later, and looked more like the quick, easy bang next door. It's too bad there are not more clear examples, but that's my contention. The photographer hires a model to pose nude. She's already decided she's going to do it, because she needs the money and is proud of how she looks. Legs open or closed, she doesn't care as long as she gets paid. You can find various PB models in the 70's where there are one or two really graphic shots to go along with the more "innocent" ones. Here are some examples.

[RLWeed947040]

Here are RLWeed947040's 6 personal favorite Penthouse Pets & Playboy Playmates

I'll Start with Penthouse: 1) Cheyenne Silver (Cheyenne Silver appeared in a pictorial with Adam, & Nick Titled "Mush"), 2) Brittany Dane (February, 1985 Penthouse Pet), & 3) Marie Duarte (July, 1990 Penthouse Pet)

And Now Playboy: 1) Debra Jo Fondren (Miss September, 1977, Playmate of the Year, 1978), 2) Candy Loving (Miss January, 1979 {Also Playboy's 25th/Silver Anniversary} which is why there was a Second Pictorial done in August, 1979), & 3) Jennifer Lyn Jackson (Miss April, 1989 {I was a Senior in High School when the April, 1989 issue of Playboy came out}). There you have it, 6 personal favorites.

[Lord Of The Sith]

Originally Posted by bigtrain45

My contention is that the models got paid to pose nude, and were, by the mid 70's, willing to show everything, and it was just the editorial and style decisions of Hef and Gooch that made the difference. Deanna Baker is a perfect example. She was a PMOM in playboy, shot very much girl-next-door style, then she did PH a year or two later, and looked more like the quick, easy bang next door. It's too bad there are not more clear examples, but that's my contention. The photographer hires a model to pose nude. She's already decided she's going to do it, because she needs the money and is proud of how she looks. Legs open or closed, she doesn't care as long as she gets paid. You can find various PB models in the 70's where there are one or two really graphic shots to go along with the more "innocent" ones. Here are some examples.

This is where I have to disagree. Just because a woman is posing nude doesn't mean she is doing anything the photographer wants. When women sign these contracts they are generally pretty explicit on what kind of pics will be taken. Women negotiate depending on what they are willing to do. For instance if you paid 500.00 for a softcore photoshot and the model showed up to a gangbang you would not be photographing her with a renegotiating unless she was a moron. During an interview, Mary Cary, put it best, "If I want back in porn and they will not take me I'll offer to do anal, if that isn't enough I'll offer an exclusive and gangbang and failing that I'll do a black guy." These women do have bargaining power and do not have to spread their pussies or jam a huge toy in them just because they were hired for a shoot. They photograph for what they were contracted for.

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[bigtrain45]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Sith

This is where I have to disagree. Just because a woman is posing nude doesn't mean she is doing anything the photographer wants. When women sign these contracts they are generally pretty explicit on what kind of pics will be taken. Women negotiate depending on what they are willing to do. For instance if you paid 500.00 for a softcore photoshot and the model showed up to a gangbang you would not be photographing her with a renegotiating unless she was a moron. During an interview, Mary Cary, put it best, "If I want back in porn and they will not take me I'll offer to do anal, if that isn't enough I'll offer an exclusive and gangbang and failing that I'll do a black guy." These women do have bargaining power and do not have to spread their pussies or jam a huge toy in them just because they were hired for a shoot. They photograph for what they were contracted for.

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Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was talking strictly about one girl posing for pictures with a photographer. Of course the parameters are worked out ahead of time, but my contention is that just because Playboy often does not show the model with her vagina on full display, I don't think it's the model's decision, but the photo editor at the magazine, based on what they see as their style. That's why I posted the PB and PH pix of Deanna Baker, to show the difference.

[PaulNJ]

Originally Posted by fordprefect739

The first Playmate of the Month to pose for Penthouse was Ursula Buchfellner in 1984. It was tame Playboy level. No spread shots. Later Teri Weigel did around the time she started doing porn. She showed more but it was still a little mild for Penthouse at the time and especially so for someone doing porn.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Deanna Baker was in Penthouse before Ursula Buchfellner but she used the name Rebecca Davenport and it was in 1977.

Lynn Thomas was the first Playmate of the Month to also be a Pet of the Month. Victoria Zdrok and Lexi Karlsen later also did it. I kind of doubt it will happen again. I don't think that they have the money to pay models the way Playmates would want to be paid to pose for them. It's rumored that Heather Carolin was in talks to be in Penthouse around the time she started doing spread shots but they couldn't agree on the money.

A few Playboy models who weren't Playmates of the Month also posed for Penthouse. Heidi Staley who was in a bunch of newsstand specials became a Pet of the Month under the name Heidi Lynne. Oddly, Patricia Ford, another popular PB newsstand model posed for Suze Randal doing several pictorials with full spread shots but was never in Penthouse. Those pictorials did show up in a few other mags like Club and High Society.

Quite a few Penthouse Pets have posed for feature pictorials or newsstand specials but none has gone on to be a Playmate of the Month. Playboy would never allow something like that. Julie Strain and Tera Patrick come to mind but I know there were others.

Patricia Ford was definitely in a Penthouse magazine, a special issue of some sort. Because I was shocked when I saw that, around 1999. I had though Patricia was only in Playboy at that time. It was probably one of her Suze shoots , as well, but it was in a Penthouse 'Girls of Penthouse' or some non-monthly version.

[fordprefect739]

What issue? I'm pretty sure that she was not. She was in Club and High Society. As far as I've seen, all of her spread shots were done by Suze Randall, who wasn't shooting for Penthouse all that much by that time.

[McClane]

July 2004 Penthouse Letters has about a half dozen pages of Patricia Ford from her naughtier Suze era.

[fordprefect739]

I never bought Penthouse Letters, which would explain why I wouldn't have seen it.

That isn't Penthouse itself, but it's interesting none the less.