Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[europe_2002]

...and now sports . (just kidding)

[charliels531]

Originally Posted by palo5

All we can do with the uninformed people is inform them

I didn't know he spoke German (must be one of his many secrets) but my Colleague Wendigo gives a good rendering in English on the previous page

Ah, the agony of translation. I prefer, "Preferably a terrible end to horror without end."

Clearly we need a native speaker Where's Brecht?

[G-Type]

Originally Posted by charliels531

...
Clearly we need a native speaker Where's Brecht?

Not Brecht, sorry ...but a native too

"It´s better to stop something even if it causes pain than to continuously suffer pain with no end in sight"

or short:

"Massive pain right now, but no longer pain in future!"

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BTW, haroldeye´s version comes very close

Originally Posted by haroldeye

Better a terrible end than a Terror without an end.

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[haroldeye]

Vielan Danke. It's my Prussian grandmother no doubt.

[palo5]

I don't agree with everything he says here, but he definitely understands what the EU is about

His key words are "Never again" and I completely back him there

Michael Heseltine (13 min)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8oWrF2CXF8

[Devius]

MPs vote to take control of Commons business in unprecedented move to try to find majority for any Brexit option by 329 votes to 302.

Details:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47701591

[EDIT]Three ministers resign over vote

Business minister Richard Harrington, Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt and health minister Steve Brine have resigned because they voted for Sir Oliver Letwin’s amendment allowing the Commons to take control of the parliamentary agenda to hold indicative votes on Brexit options, government sources have confirmed

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by Devius

MPs vote to take control of Commons business in unprecedented move to try to find majority for any Brexit option by 329 votes to 302.

There's only two Brexit options: May's deal or a no-deal Brexit. [there's of course a range of no-Brexit possibilities, but they ain't happening]

May has the better of the argument here: "this is the best deal you're going to get from Europe, so vote for it already".

I admire her for standing on the strength of her bad hand.

Its like have a pair of deuces, and the conviction that no one else has anything better-- and being right.

[charliels531]

Originally Posted by Devius

MPs vote to take control of Commons business in unprecedented move to try to find majority for any Brexit option by 329 votes to 302

The madness sinks deeper.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by charliels531

The madness sinks deeper.

It's a bit like a Congressional budget crisis, isn't it?

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

There's only two Brexit options: May's deal or a no-deal Brexit. [there's of course a range of no-Brexit possibilities, but they ain't happening]

May has the better of the argument here: "this is the best deal you're going to get from Europe, so vote for it already".

I admire her for standing on the strength of her bad hand.

Its like have a pair of deuces, and the conviction that no one else has anything better-- and being right.

Parliament has not so far been capable of agreeing on any Brexit matter except to be against anything the government suggests. I'm fine about them being against Mrs May's deal because it is a monumentally shit deal. But most of the MPs appear to oppose her deal because it is not sufficiently weak and subservient, and prefer to be even more obedient to the EU and to have even less autonomy.

There are two preferable alternatives to to the Deliverance Brexit.

1. No Deal.
2. Recission of Article 50 and full membership with at least the poor and limited influence that being a full member affords.

It is not logical to leave and then seek a slave relationship. No deal is much better.