Register on the forum now to remove ALL ads + popups + get access to tons of hidden content for members only!
vintage erotica forum vintage erotica forum vintage erotica forum
vintage erotica forum
Home
Go Back   Vintage Erotica Forums > Discussion & Talk Forum > General Discussion & News > Politics, Current Affairs, Religion Threads
Best Porn Sites Live Sex Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices
Politics, Current Affairs, Religion Threads Post here for all Politics, Current Affairs, Religion Threads


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old April 11th, 2012, 09:08 PM   #11
squigg58
Veteran Member
 
squigg58's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: My own little world
Posts: 2,476
Thanks: 14,113
Thanked 25,970 Times in 2,473 Posts
squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+squigg58 100000+
Default

I vote agnostic. Don't know. Don't care!
squigg58 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 25 Users Say Thank You to squigg58 For This Useful Post:
Old April 11th, 2012, 09:09 PM   #12
otokonomidori
緑の男
 
otokonomidori's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Jockistan, UK.
Posts: 8,313
Thanks: 39,014
Thanked 122,360 Times in 8,313 Posts
otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+otokonomidori 500000+
Default

I don't know about atheists or humanists but you can be sure there are plenty of Onanists on VEF.
otokonomidori is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #13
tonil
Vintage Member
 
tonil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 917
Thanks: 2,375
Thanked 20,188 Times in 912 Posts
tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+tonil 100000+
Default

Good question,
I guess I would be qualificated more like agnostic guy then atheist.
There is not enough evidence or not evidence at all, to support everyhing with exact facts,so I'm not 100% sure what to take for truth , then I guess it would be ok to give a chance that maybe something exists but we are not able currently to see it or proove it.
But I approve atheists and respect them and all other good people no matter what religion or belifs keeps them going through this life.

tonil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2012, 10:02 PM   #14
Nobody1
Veteran Member
 
Nobody1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,119
Thanks: 16,786
Thanked 22,140 Times in 2,127 Posts
Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+
Default

ATHEISM - THE ANSWER THAT SAVES THE WORLD.

Well, sounds nice, but i think atheism is just another faith. The rebuttal is not possible here. On the other hand, atheists are not forced to take up the rebuttal. At least not according to Russell's teapot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot


But believing means not knowing. Atheism and/or faith, i guess it doesn't matter. I for myself think there is a god. But he/she is, with some certainty not a Christian, Jew or Muslim.

There is just one answer that saves the world.


TOLERANCE

Last edited by Nobody1; April 11th, 2012 at 10:16 PM..
Nobody1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2012, 10:13 PM   #15
Brecht
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 10,657
Thanks: 180,485
Thanked 188,128 Times in 10,453 Posts
Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+
Default

I became a convinced atheist after I began to explore science, history and (Marxist) philosophy. But my atheism is mostly a result of scientific naturalism. That was before I turned 18. Now I'm 27 and a bigger atheist than ever.
Religions claim to answer all the questions about life and our universe but never managed to answer even one. The goal of science is not to disprove god but scientific research has pretty much debunked all religious beliefs. Religion is randomness. It's false and can be interpreted as you wish. Slavery was justified by the bible, antisemitism was justified by the bible etc. Every culture in the world had its own myths and each of them thought to be the center of the universe or "the chosen ones". Many cultures converted to Christianity or Islam and rejected their previous beliefs. Why do they suddenly believe that those two monotheistic religions are right and their previous beliefs wrong? It doesn't make sense. Why should a Japanese become a Christian? It's a myth from another culture. Science is universal. It adresses humanity and is based on facts.
I'm not one of those "new atheists" though. I've been an atheist before Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens emerged as global atheist superstars. While they're brilliant minds, they're not the only ones. Karl Marx understood the problem: it's the society based on a specific economic system that produces religion. It has be proven that people are most likely to be religious in a poor country than in an socially advanced country like Sweden for example. In their poverty, religion is their only hope, their false hope. They might be aware of this problem but guys like those superstars of new atheism never mention it. They think you can turn people into atheists by speeches and Youtube videos. That might work in Britain, America or France but not in Afghanistan or Guatemala.
People like Hitchens and Harris were constant advocates of US military interventionism in the Middle East. Well, when you bomb down a village and kill, let's say, 50 civilians, you're most likely to produce more Muslim extremists than reducing their number.
I love Richard Dawkins' books but, although he's not a political person at all, I disagree with him politically. A few months ago, some private college was launched in England with high tuition fees. Richard Dawkins will be teaching there, too and his support for the Liberal-Democratic Party is widely known. That would mean he has no problem with privatizing the educational system. The question is: who are you going to teach Evolution when most people won't be able to afford higher education?
Religion has to be fought with scientific enlightenment but also social equality and free access to education.
Brecht is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #16
TCO95
Veteran Member
 
TCO95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: This member is not allowed in your country.
Posts: 5,176
Thanks: 47,615
Thanked 64,781 Times in 5,130 Posts
TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+TCO95 250000+
Default

I think the problems begin when God is confused with religion. God could be a scientist who said what if I did this, then this, added a touch of this and then sat back and observed. We may well be a cosmic ant farm. I think it's perfectly valid to believe in God and not be religious. Of course you do run into that old "Who created the creator?" paradox but I'll leave that to minds greater than mine.
TCO95 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #17
Nobody1
Veteran Member
 
Nobody1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,119
Thanks: 16,786
Thanked 22,140 Times in 2,127 Posts
Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+Nobody1 100000+
Default

Norbert unfortunately i am not of your opinion. Science is good and useful. But what is science without a ethical basis? Monsanto, Bayer, Mengele.

Even the undeniable masterpiece of good old Kalle Marx is infiltrated with this ethical basis. Our whole (unfortunately, currently something capitalist perverted ) legal system is based on this shit. And if they wanted to admit it or not, this ethical basis even played in the Soviet Union a major role. Now one may ask, what are these ominous bases ? Any suggestions?

A small hint : Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Nobody1 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to Nobody1 For This Useful Post:
Old April 11th, 2012, 11:15 PM   #18
Brecht
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 10,657
Thanks: 180,485
Thanked 188,128 Times in 10,453 Posts
Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+Brecht 750000+
Default

Actually, ethics is the scientific term for morality and is pretty much formulated within science. This of course won't prevent some minds to break the rules. But science works and monsters like Mengele cannot put it in a bad light. A hammer is a product of science, too. It was invented to help people with their work, yet some use it to smash someone's face. Science needs ethics to serve humanity but it doesn't need hypocritical religious morality.
Brecht is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #19
CARLTON BROWN
Grand Vizier
 
CARLTON BROWN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ruraltania
Posts: 3,213
Thanks: 35,616
Thanked 35,565 Times in 3,205 Posts
CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+CARLTON BROWN 175000+
Default

I might be an atheist, but I'm still open to the idea of 72 hot virgins waiting for me!
CARLTON BROWN is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 20 Users Say Thank You to CARLTON BROWN For This Useful Post:
Old April 11th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #20
imtrying
Vintage Member
 
imtrying's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,068
Thanks: 14,832
Thanked 17,238 Times in 1,043 Posts
imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+imtrying 50000+
Default

I think the Rolling Stones put it best: "Don't wanna hear talk about Jesus, I just wanna see his face". Until I see real undisputed proof call me an agnostic.
imtrying is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 21 Users Say Thank You to imtrying For This Useful Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT. The time now is 04:44 AM.






vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise v2.6.1 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.