Things Noticeable this week

[rupertramjet]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

Also sadly that slimy sanctimonious tosser is still held up as a beacon of hope by some of his "fans" in the lower bowels of the Remain camp who think that the devious has-been shithead's words actually count for anything... gimme a break
They must be really desperate.

Ironic really! Even Labour realise what a disaster he is! They bought him out for one day, lost six points overnight and cancelled all his engagements next day!

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by rupertramjet

Ironic really! Even Labour realise what a disaster he is! They bought him out for one day, lost six points overnight and cancelled all his engagements next day!

With a I would confirm your post.
Every announcements of Tony Blair is damaging Labour more as it is useful for them.

I compare it with the Social-Democrats after 'Gerhard Schroeder' here, it is a deep mistrust by the voters in that Party and it will take a long time to repair that mistrustfulness. They have simply betrayed their voters in the period from 1999 - 2007 (but - in Germany without changing their name into "New Labour").

The time of the journey into the "Neo-Liberalysm" which has ended in a catastrophe for the ex-base-voters.

@ Wendigo:
Is he having any "fans" except some obstinate nihilists in GB ???.

[Brecht]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

I compare it with the Social-Democrats after 'Gerhard Schroeder' here

They didn't call him "Genosse der Bosse" (the bosses' comrade) for nothing. Schröder used to boast how Germany has the biggest low-wage sector in Europe at the 2005 World Economic Forum in Davos. The German recipe of export promotion through wage reduction is becoming the new EU policy. Countries refusing to implement this dictate from Brussels/Berlin will be "punished" financially and denounced as "nationalists". Increasing poverty, insecure employment circumstances, the undermining of democracy and the pushing of competition between workers to its extremes is not how they're going to "bring Europe together". The Viségrad countries are already telling Berlin to piss off because they're tired of being a source of cheap labor for Germany and being overrun by its corporations without a chance to develop their own economies. If this is where the EU is definitely heading, perhaps leaving it ain't such a bad idea at all.

Perhaps the British made the right decision (for wrong reasons though) to leave this graveyard of democracy. The question is only what their alternatives are. If they want to pursue the same free trade and sell-out of public assets-bullshit, they might as well stay in the EU. Otherwise they'd have the chance to revive their industry, NHS, build affordable housing. In other words, become a country of its citizens (not just the rich lords of the rings or whatever titles they use).

[Puhbear69]

Poles should report to Poland critics

Poland calls on compatriots living abroad to report anti-Polish statements to official bodies. This emerges after NDR research from an official letter. It is distributed worldwide.


Poles living abroad are officially invited to report to critics of the country. In a letter distributed worldwide through embassies and consulates, it says:

"Please, document any anti-Polish comments, representations and opinions that harm us and respond to them, and inform our embassies, consulates and honorary consulates about any slander affecting Poland's reputation."

According to NDR information, the three-page letter has already been sent via the Polish Consulate General in Munich via mail distributor to Poles living in southern Germany. The consulate in Hamburg has announced that it will publish the letter on Thursday both on its own homepage and via mail distributor.

New Holocaust Law provides for dispute
The background to the unusual step is the controversial Holocaust law. Poland's President Andrzej Duda had signed it recently. Under the threat of up to three years' imprisonment, the law prohibits blaming Poland as a nation for Holocaust crimes committed by German occupiers in World War II.

In Israel, the law met with sharp criticism. There it is feared that it will allow the government to color the role of Poles, who have committed crimes against Jews during the Second World War.
"Common tasks of representation"

For Senate Marshal Stanislaw Karczewski, from whom the letter originates, Poles at home and abroad have for many years been "confronted with the painful, unfair - and above all - factually incorrect formulation of 'Polish death camps' as well as with the accusation that Poland is involved in the Holocaust ". This is a violation of national dignity and national pride, writes the Polish politician.

The Polish ambassador in Berlin, Andrzej Przylebski, said on NDR's request that the call to document anti-Polish statements and to report to embassies and consulates was "the usual duties of diplomatic or consular representation".

How to deal with the information collected, is not yet determined, said Przylebski. So far, there are no implementing provisions for the law.

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/polen-315.html (in German )

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Of course with "Poland critics" is meant the critics at the actual Polish government and the governing right wing Party and nothing else.

I feel remembered at the mindset espionage in Germany during the III. Reich or Stasi activities in former East Germany.

Well, folks, let's criticise the actual Polish government hard - and not mistakable -, that the Mindset Spy's are having a lot of work and something to report to the Polish government.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by Brecht

They didn't call him "Genosse der Bosse" (the bosses' comrade) for nothing. Schröder used to boast how Germany has the biggest low-wage sector in Europe at the 2005 World Economic Forum in Davos.

[...].

"Wer hat uns verraten ? Die Sozialdemokraten !"
(Who has betrayed us ? The Social-Demokrats !).

Was once (1918 !!!) a slogan of the German-Labour-Corps, as Friedrich Ebert cooperated with the so called (right wing!) Freikorps and let shoot on the/his own party-members.
This saw was in those days the protest-motto of the embittered and betrayed left comrades.

It has nothing left of the actuality nowadays (-> "Genosse der Bosse").

[haroldeye]

Brecht old thing. You have expressed the reason that this European voted to leave the EU for.

Countries refusing to implement this dictate from Brussels/Berlin will be "punished" financially and denounced as "nationalists". Increasing poverty, insecure employment circumstances, the undermining of democracy and the pushing of competition between workers to its extremes is not how they're going to "bring Europe together".

I thank you.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by haroldeye

Brecht old thing. You have expressed the reason that this European voted to leave the EU for.

Countries refusing to implement this dictate from Brussels/Berlin will be "punished" financially and denounced as "nationalists". Increasing poverty, insecure employment circumstances, the undermining of democracy and the pushing of competition between workers to its extremes is not how they're going to "bring Europe together".

I thank you.

Yep, but that's only a step backward. All the non-EU members in 2018 will become one day EU members and then WU (union world) members. Maybe you and I will be dead before to watch this, but that will happen. That's the destiny of humanity. No more wars and fair cooperation. Not living alone on its island or its mountain.

[haroldeye]

If you believe that xyzde69 then you may find the moon is made of Green Cheese.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Yep, but that's only a step backward. All the non-EU members in 2018 will become one day EU members and then WU (union world) members. Maybe you and I will be dead before to watch this, but that will happen. That's the destiny of humanity. No more wars and fair cooperation. Not living alone on its island or its mountain.

I imagine there are a lot of countries that would give up their autonomy for this "destiny" you post of. But there are at least a few that would not. The US, Australia, the UK, Russia, China and others.
You notice that the ones I mentioned specifically all have nukes too.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Yep, but that's only a step backward. All the non-EU members in 2018 will become one day EU members and then WU (union world) members. Maybe you and I will be dead before to watch this, but that will happen. That's the destiny of humanity. No more wars and fair cooperation. Not living alone on its island or its mountain.

In reality that's just a pipe dream or part of an ultimate wish list but it will never happen, sadly wars are a constant, it's a fact of life and death.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/bo...about-war.html

"Of the past 3,400 years, humans have been entirely at peace for 268 of them, or just 8 percent of recorded history."

They don't actually give any evidence as to which years they believe there were no wars going on but I think that even 268 years is possibly far too optimistic