Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by ********

....simply died of old age......

F*ck me that's all I need, even more people wishing I was dead.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

F*ck me that's all I need, even more people wishing I was dead.

Don't let it bother you Otoko: it isn't that you're old, it's just that you're you...

[blueboy199]

Originally Posted by ********

Most of those predictions have come true.

The Treasury’s analysis published today finds that a direct consequence of a vote to leave the EU would be significant job losses across the UK.

Within two years, at least half a million jobs would be lost.

That’s 80,000 jobs in the Midlands.

Over 100,000 jobs across the North.

Over 40,000 in Scotland; over 20,000 in Wales; almost 15,000 in Northern Ireland.

In London over 70,000 jobs would be lost.

Here across the South, almost 120,000 jobs would go.

And that’s the lower end of the estimates – across Britain as many as 820,000 jobs could be lost.

As always, it would be young people leaving school and college, and those already in insecure work who would be hit hardest.

Youth unemployment would rise by over 10%.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...sbornes-speech

Yeah, that was scarily accurate, wasn't it? "And that's the lower end of the estimates". Jesus wept.

[judy84]

Britain is behind the Conservative Government and significantly even a majority of Remain voters now support the Prime Minister in implementing brexit the poll conducted by BMG found.
The poll reveals that British voters now overwhelmingly support respecting the decision to leave the EU.
Brits were asked whether they agreed or disagreed with the following statement: ”The Government should get on with implementing the result of the referendum to take Britain out of the EU and in doing so take back control of our borders, laws, money and trade.”
Of Britons polled 57 percent agreed, whilst only 22 percent disagreed.

Significantly 31 percent of Remain voters also now want Brexit to happen, the poll revealed.


https://latestnews.network/brexit-ne...politics-news/
https://lasvegasnews.media/brexit-ne...politics-news/

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by judy84

Britain is behind the Conservative Government and significantly even a majority of Remain voters now support the Prime Minister in implementing brexit the poll conducted by BMG found.
The poll reveals that British voters now overwhelmingly support respecting the decision to leave the EU.

If anything, the Brexit referendum showed that opinion polls were unreliable. Those who live in the UK know that already:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...hip_referendum
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ere-the-polls/

I have 3 issues with that BMG poll.

First, it seems to suggest that leaving the EU is a done deal or a moral obligation. But from a legal viewpoint, the Brexit referendum was only an advisory poll, not a binding vote. Today, Brexiteers use that referendum to claim that leaving the EU is the will of the people and opposing it would be undemocratic. To me, that referendum was a scam because it was based on lies (350 million a week for the NHS) and manipulation (Cambridge Analytica). Voters didn't have the necessary information to make a good decision on such a complex issue. The government study about the drop in economic growth (2 to 8 percent over a 15-year period depending on the scenario) should have been made and released before the referendum and not a couple of months ago.

Second, if there was a referendum to leave the EU, why shouldn't there be another one for the people to decide if they like the Brexit deal or not? I think it would be undemocratic to suppress the people's voice over the Brexit deal.

And third, that BMG poll was awfully black and white. It mentioned that many Remainers accepted the outcome of the referendum (i.e. leave the EU), but there was no poll to know whether those Remainers wanted a soft or hard Brexit. I'm pretty sure that the majority of the British people (Leave and Remain voters) prefer a soft Brexit to a hard Brexit. By claiming that Remain voters support the government in implementing Brexit, that poll misleadingly suggests that Remainers would accept any kind of Brexit and that the government would just have to shove it down their throats. That is so wrong.

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by judy84

https://latestnews.network/brexit-ne...politics-news/
https://lasvegasnews.media/brexit-ne...politics-news/

I've just done some research and found out that those sources you are quoting are dodgy. I can't find anywhere on BMG's website such a poll claiming that Remainers want Brexit to happen. In fact, the only relevant BMG poll says that the majority of the British people want to remain in the EU (51% vs. 41%):
https://twitter/BMGResearch/status/942347813177970688
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8114406.html

And if you go on BMG's website, you will see a completely different picture.
The majority of the Brits back remaining in the single market and the customs union:
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/left-fo...customs-union/
And the majority of the Brits want a second Brexit referendum if the talks with the EU fail (May has officially opposed a second referendum):
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/left-fo...ip-talks-fail/
http://uk.businessinsider.com/poll-s...esa-may-2018-1

Conclusion: There are many dodgy websites run by trolls nowadays.

[haroldeye]

In my close family group I was one of two that voted leave. The other ten voted to remain. Now only one wants to remain and the rest either accept the result and say get on with it or have looked at the EU negotiating positions and said the sooner we are away from them the better.
Incidentally the leavers were aged 61 and 18 and the remainers were between 40 and 80. Three of them were in business that required good knowledge of the Customs Union.

Moko - We oldies may be dieing off but the rest of the country is growing older. With the exception of people like Cable, most people grow wiser with age. Or at least they gain enough life experience to know when they are being shafted by politicians.

[scoundrel]

The fat lady hasn't sung yet of course. But I suspect there a lot of "group think" going on, perhaps on both sides but certainly among the Remainers. Who knows who would win any hypothetical second referendum? Why, for that matter, are "young people" a fixed population who might not change their views? Ask any Tory whether he used to support Labour and the answer will often be yes.

What do the EU side do to sell the benefits of membership to us? They threaten us with all sorts of negative consequences, not because these consequences are inevitable, but because they can be imposed as a sanction. Do as we tell you, or else. This is not the way to persuade, convince or change minds.

[judy84]

Originally Posted by jacques22

I've just done some research and found out that those sources you are quoting are dodgy. I can't find anywhere on BMG's website such a poll claiming that Remainers want Brexit to happen. In fact, the only relevant BMG poll says that the majority of the British people want to remain in the EU (51% vs. 41%):
https://twitter/BMGResearch/status/942347813177970688
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8114406.html

And if you go on BMG's website, you will see a completely different picture.
The majority of the Brits back remaining in the single market and the customs union:
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/left-fo...customs-union/
And the majority of the Brits want a second Brexit referendum if the talks with the EU fail (May has officially opposed a second referendum):
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/left-fo...ip-talks-fail/
http://uk.businessinsider.com/poll-s...esa-may-2018-1

Conclusion: There are many dodgy websites run by trolls nowadays.

I see a lot of these "young" remainers campaigning, eg Cable, Heseltine, Major, Soubry, Branson, Clegg, Lineker, Blair....

Remainers said people didn't know what they were voting for. the poll was clear:
57 per cent of people agreed that the government should "get on with implementing the result of the referendum to take Britain out of the EU and in doing so take back control of our borders, laws, money and trade"

That means out of the CU and CM.

Of course I would not expect the results to be reported by The Grauniad, FT, Independent, BBC etc.

However:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/23/n...nt-get-brexit/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eresa-may-poll
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018...asses-parties/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/588436...new-poll-says/

Are all these publishers of fake news as well?

Please follow the thread back before you started commenting on 28/2/2018 in answer to your other complaints.

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by judy84

57 per cent of people agreed that the government should "get on with implementing the result of the referendum to take Britain out of the EU and in doing so take back control of our borders, laws, money and trade"

That means out of the CU and CM.

The way the poll was phrased simply means that Remainers accept the result of the referendum, i.e. leaving the EU.
However, it's your interpretation that leaving the EU means leaving the customs union and the single market. Before the referendum, Leave campaigners said that the UK could leave the EU and still be part of the customs union and single market.

Originally Posted by judy84

https://order-order.com/2018/03/23/n...nt-get-brexit/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eresa-may-poll
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018...asses-parties/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/588436...new-poll-says/

Are all these publishers of fake news as well?

Breitbart (Bannon et al) is known for being a publisher of fake news.
And I don't read the Sun since their disgusting coverage of the Hillsborough disaster. Never heard of order-order.com, but if it's the same people as the Guido Fawkes blog, they are known for writing stories without supporting evidence.