Problem Reports, Questions & General Announcements

[Rubinski]

Originally Posted by effCup

~10 months ago we asked ourselves: are we happy with the name Caroline Clark. Since then there's been a couple of content additions, no expressions of disagreement, and yet we seem no closer to making her thread a PMT. Why is that?

Well actually, I can perfectly well understand how things just like this do "slip one's mind"/focus. It's in the nature of vef's bulletin board design/structure which keeps one's focus very much upon the "now". So my comment here is in no way meant as a criticism of mods. that things like this happen. I just wonder, though, whether there's anything that can be done about it? I suppose first up: do mods. want some sort of scheduling tool to help them with such matters? Scheduling software is not something I've ever really investigated, it just strikes me that it's something that is probably lacking in vef/mir, and maybe is something that might help. /shrug/ Part of the problem may be that it probably wouldn't be integrated within (or a plun-in for) vBulletin so would just have to be something third-party sitting on mods' machines, and then its "integration" with vef (posts/threads) would be pretty loose/maybe problematic. /shrug/

Looks like solid video ID to me as Caroline Clark.
Unconfirmed, but solid.
I think she should be called solved (some level of solved), and put in the PMT.
But, it's not my decision, so I left it.

There is still no Caroline Clark thread that I saw.
Maybe she is under another name somewhere.

Looks like she was once called solved as Tania @ Men Only.
No thread yet for that name either.

If someone likes her enough to spend some time on her, help yourself.
Anyone is welcome to start a thread for her, and post all the content here on her thread.
Then we won't have to wait for MIR to do it.

[Rubinski]

Originally Posted by effCup

Another one that's troubling/nagging me is this:

#1
#2

thread.

This is perhaps related?

This may or may not be related.

I don't say they should all be merged.

Maybe they're already as "advanced" as we can make them. /shrug/

I read most of these again today.
Might as well type a post, but again, it's not my decision.

I think the girl in the first three links is the same, but not absolutely sure.
Seems like others also think they are the same, and I've seen no disputes.

As for the link that might be related, the girls in the last 2 links seem different to me.
I don't think the 'Redhead from unknown loop' is Sara, Melva, or Angel.
Not sure who she is.

I believe the last link 'Brunette with Cris Cassidy' is Angel duCharme.
Looks like the girl in the IAFD head shot. Not sure.
Pretty sure she is not Sara/Melva.

As for those first three links of Sara/Melva, I should add a 4th link.
I found a thread for Sara Greene, started Oct 28, 2014 by blinky1.
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...d.php?t=278869

Melva's thread got started Nov 15, 2014 by Rafffferty.
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...d.php?t=279976

If Sara and Melva are the same girl, one thing that should be done is get the threads merged.
Someone should request a merge of Melva into Sara's thread.
You might have to prove it.
Maybe this thread if proof enough.

Anyone that likes any girl enough to jump in, is welcome to
Waiting for MIR to do it can obviously take years.
We would love to have enough mod hours available to do everything we want to, but we don't.

Content can be posted anytime, by anyone that believe it's the same girl.
Sometimes it gets disputed, if anyone posts that it is wrong.

They don't like to have disputes there, but bogus girls/IDs will be posted at times, and there must be a process to remove them.
I believe they want disputes like that posted in the problem report thread for the section.
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t82...lems-here.html

If someone builds a thread, maybe it can be used to prove the solve in MIR.

Until MIR calls it solved (on some level), I don't think we will make it a PMT.

The model sections don't seem to be as strict about IDs for starting model threads, as MIR is about calling an ID solved.

Protecting our reputation?

[effCup]

Originally Posted by Rubinski

If Sara and Melva are the same girl, one thing that should be done is get the threads merged.
Someone should request a merge of Melva into Sara's thread.
You might have to prove it.
Maybe this thread if proof enough.

Maybe. So you're saying model mods. don't mind if an MIR thread is not marked "solved", they'll still take it as evidence/proof of... what someone says it proves?

Originally Posted by Rubinski

Anyone that likes any girl enough to jump in, is welcome to
Waiting for MIR to do it can obviously take years.

So if someone were to post content that they think is Melva/Sara to her thread(s), despite the fact that elsewhere that same content has already been labelled/id'd as Angel Ducharme, mag./model mods. will react with... is equanimity the word I'm seeking?

Originally Posted by Rubinski

They don't like to have disputes there, but bogus girls/IDs will be posted at times, and there must be a process to remove them.

Indeed. And maybe even a sub-section of vef devoted to trying to settle such questions.... Remind me again what that place was called?

Originally Posted by Rubinski

If someone builds a thread, maybe it can be used to prove the solve in MIR.

Aha! So for problematic queries the solution lies outside MIR, and can then be used to "solve" the MIR? That's a very tidy plan you have there. Maybe we could call it Ruby's Möbius strip-tease.

Originally Posted by Rubinski

The model sections don't seem to be as strict about IDs for starting model threads, as MIR is about calling an ID solved.

Protecting our reputation?

All-important.

[Pepper II]

Thank for your err... insights. The bottom line is we just don't have enough time to keep up with things the way we would all like. And believe me, we Mods are not happy at all. We all want see these loose ends tidied up but we're strained just to keep up with the daily tasks so these other things must wait, and wait, and wait. The only real solution is to add another Moderator to this section. So if anyone is remotely interested or has a suggestion please send me a PM; thanks.

[effCup]

I do understand the press of time. I also wasn't meaning these "loose ends" are simply due to lack of attention from mods. The suggestion of a scheduling tool was simply an idea, if mods. thought it could help them, because vef perhaps doesn't already have something like it.

Re. the above threads I posted together, as already said I wasn't meaning they should all be merged. I put them together simply because of the possibility that some may help/relate to others, i.e. maybe pieces of a larger puzzle. /shrug/

[highwayman274]

Originally Posted by Pepper II

The only real solution is to add another Moderator to this section. So if anyone is remotely interested or has a suggestion please send me a PM; thanks.

I think the addition of a fourth Moderator would be of benefit to the Model Identification Section, and I encourage interested parties to contact Pepper II.

Daily checking of the MIR threads and adjudicating of "solves" can easily consume 4 hours. Managing the large number of older, unsolved requests and maintaining the Mystery Corner threads can take several more. At present, Pepper II and I share the front-end duties, while Rubinski toils in the back-end (affectionately known as "the swamp").

It would be very useful to have another set of hands (and eyes) on a daily basis. However the addition of a fourth Mod would be a true life-saver during those periods when one of us is ill, or on vacation.

I have found that the position does not require an encyclopedic knowledge of porn-stars past & present; although that certainly would be a valuable attribute. The primary requirement is a commitment to show up for an hour or two on a daily basis; combined with a large measure of patience, and a bit of common sense.

[Rubinski]

Originally Posted by effCup

Maybe. So you're saying model mods. don't mind if an MIR thread is not marked "solved", they'll still take it as evidence/proof of... what someone says it proves?


So if someone were to post content that they think is Melva/Sara to her thread(s), despite the fact that elsewhere that same content has already been labelled/id'd as Angel Ducharme, mag./model mods. will react with... is equanimity the word I'm seeking?


Indeed. And maybe even a sub-section of vef devoted to trying to settle such questions.... Remind me again what that place was called?


Aha! So for problematic queries the solution lies outside MIR, and can then be used to "solve" the MIR? That's a very tidy plan you have there. Maybe we could call it Ruby's Möbius strip-tease.


All-important.

I want to be clear that I am not speaking for the models mods in any way.
I am only noting what I see happening.

Check out the model section rules before posting, or starting any threads.
If you are not sure, ask a mod in your target section.

The point I am trying to make is that we don't all have to wait for MIR to do all these tasks.
Many can be done by regular members.
If you like a girl, jump in and do something.

Very few members post their request content in the model threads.
(if you do, thank you very much)

If you have the ID now, and she has a thread, why not post your content on her thread?
If she doesn't have a thread, why not start one?
Why wait for MIR to do it all?
Our core task is to provide IDs.
We want to do all the nice extra things, but we are obviously struggling with it.

If you do some work on an MIR requested girl, it would also be nice for you to let us know.
Post on the request thread about whatever related content you posted, or threads you started.
Then we don't have to spend time figuring out what was done.

One of the most time consuming tasks I do is finding VEF threads, and looking through them for the requested content.
It may take an hour to look through all the search results to find a model thread.
If I find a thread, that could take another hour to look through it.
One 20 page thread takes a long time to check.
We also have to check every link on the thread.
Investigating one request can easily use up my entire mod hour for the day.

That is only a part bit of what needs to happen on the back end before trashing the thread.
Should I explain the other things that need to happen to drain the swamp?
Not today.

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If someone is disputing your content, tell those mods in that forum/section why you are right, or why the disputer is wrong.
If you have good reason to believe you are correct, there should be no problem.
If you are not sure, ask those mods first.
Be up front and honest, and let those mods decide.

I'm not sure the model mods need to know what MIR thinks.
All that really matters is what they think.
It's their forum/section.
If they want MIR's help, they know where to find us.

Some mods open ID requests in MIR just like anyone else might.

We will do our best to help.
Doesn't mean we will always be able to do the right thing, or what we see as right.

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A VEF model thread does sometimes help on an MIR solve.
No firm process or procedure about it, but again, just what I see happening.

If she does have a VEF thread, at least the content has been seen by eyes outside of MIR.
Maybe some of her fans.
The model's fans can be helpful in figuring out disputes.
I sometimes link them in on requests with disputes.

No one is always right, but a consensus can usually be found.

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None of my suggestions here are required, but they might be very helpful.

Do what you want and have fun !
If you have time to do more, have fun with that too !

[effCup]

Originally Posted by Rubinski

I am only noting what I see happening.

I agree with all your remarks in almost all instances. My comments earlier, however, related specifically to the Sara | Melva possible mix-up with Angel Ducharme. Because some of the S | M content has previously been identified as AD, I suspect mag. &/or model mods. may prefer to wait for a "decision" from MIR before changing those ids, or perhaps with having that content "differently" identified, e.g. posted in a S | M thread.

Like you I'm not speaking for those mods., just basing my comments upon past experiences of their behaviour.

[highwayman274]

My usual time allotment for checking threads and adjudicating "solves" was suddenly blown-up this morning; and you may see a number of Requests that remain unprocessed.

I will return later today, to finish the job.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

[effCup]

This isn't a solve?


Mod Edit
5th request - now merged in here