Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Mal Hombre]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

If he can but doesn't want, he has to be rejected from the community.

If He refuses to go,What then,Violence ? Your ideal community is getting less and less idyllic.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Old people have to face their own life and not exploiting their children.
BTW Japanese people have found the solution: Robots!

And when all the old people have died from exhaustion ?

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

If I don't wanna clean someone's shit, I won't and don't give a damn if it's my turn

Maybe we could develop a system pushing people to clean its own shit and put it in a collective area.
That's anarchism.

Not taking the most miserable man and asking him to clean your shit during all his life.
Do you understand?

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

If He refuses to go,What then,Violence ? Your ideal community is getting less and less idyllic.

He has to negociate with someone who maybe agrees to clean his shit.
But if nobody wants to clean it and he still doesn't want...
Yep. Rejected or incarcerated.

By the way... That's probably what happens in your city. You can't let your shit where you want. Someone is paid to do it at your place.
If you are caught to shit on the street, the police will incarcerate you.

Anarchism is nothing else than life. But it tries to destroy class privilege.

About "idyllism"... as you probably observed, IMO, life never can be idyllic. That's why I recommand people not having children.
They have to peacefully assume their life and bye bye.
Not imposing it to their genes.

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

And when all the old people have died from exhaustion ?

Robots will bury them.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

This gets back to that thing where the modern day Commies, Anarchists and Marxists deny that for it to work everyone has to think the same, but that's what separates humans from the animal world , we are all different.

That's a good point. It seems to me that Marx' had no idea about genetics and evolution.
Marxism was an attempt to have a more egalitarian society.

It seems that in the future Homo Deus (a potential product of Capitalism) will laugh at all our primitive theories.
But if we remain in our Homo Sapiens' societies, Marxism wanted to defend millions of hard working people who lived in total misery.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Maybe we could develop a system pushing people to clean its own shit and put it in a collective area.
That's anarchism.

Not taking the most miserable man and asking him to clean your shit during all his life.
Do you understand?

I understand this

That would require everyone to agree on it, or at least the majority ... which is guess what .... Yep, a Democracy which you've stated elsewhere you disagree with or don't like So, if we can't have a Democracy someone has to decide for the good of all ... which is guess what ..... not Anarchy possibly a Commie Dictatorship

Do you now see the silliness of anarchy and the contradictions and hypocrisy it will create ...... when I won't clean up someone's shit

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

If I don't wanna clean someone's shit, I won't and don't give a damn if it's my turn

Under xyzde69's system, this is where some guys with AK-47s point them at you, and MAKE you clean up the shit.

And because you are a deviationist saboteur and wrecker, you get a whole bunch of extra shifts cleaning up the shit.

This is convenient for xyzde69, who tells himself that this is just a blip on the road to Communist utopia. And he can now spend more time reading Marx, since you are taking his turn cleaning up the shit.

At the next Communal meeting, that is what he tells everyone, and no one disagrees, because they are afraid of the guys with the AK-47s grabbing them and throwing them in the shit pool alongside you.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I understand this

That would require everyone to agree on it, or at least the majority ... which is guess what .... Yep, a Democracy which you've stated elsewhere you disagree with or don't like So, if we can't have a Democracy someone has to decide for the good of all ... which is guess what ..... not Anarchy possibly a Commie Dictatorship

Do you now see the silliness of anarchy and the contradictions and hypocrisy it will create ...... when I won't clean up someone's shit

Let me tell you some points among a lot that I dislike in a lot in our typical democracies (not all, I've got more respect for Scandinavian democracies that can revoke at any time unfair politicians.).

1) Imbeciles can be manipulated by biaised arguments and will vote sometimes against their own interests because they are afraid.

2) Very often, candidates elected democratically finally DO NOT respect their words. How many times we were fucked by politicians.

3) Politicians when elected often protect themselves to remove the power of the people. The people have to wait 4 or 5 years before to vote a new politician.

4) Democracies are slow.

What is good in anarchism.
Everybody contributes for what he likes and cooperates for big challenges.
Small communities are more dynamic.
It's flexible, terribly flexible.

For sure, you always will find some negative points.
Nothing is perfect. But huge state that look almost like mafias, economic system that push us to always produce something in the way to survive.
Isn't it an absurdity?

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Under xyzde69's system, this is where some guys with AK-47s point them at you, and MAKE you clean up the shit.

And because you are a deviationist saboteur and wrecker, you get a whole bunch of extra shifts cleaning up the shit.

This is convenient for xyzde69, who tells himself that this is just a blip on the road to Communist utopia. And he can now spend more time reading Marx, since you are taking his turn cleaning up the shit.

At the next Communal meeting, that is what he tells everyone, and no one disagrees, because they are afraid of the guys with the AK-47s grabbing them and throwing them in the shit pool alongside you.

What a troll!
Cut your hair and put a T-shirt under your leather jacket!

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Let me tell you some points among a lot that I dislike in a lot in our typical democracies (not all, I've got more respect for Scandinavian democracies that can revoke at any time unfair politicians.).

1) Imbeciles can be manipulated by biaised arguments and will vote sometimes against their own interests because they are afraid.

2) Very often, candidates elected democratically finally DO NOT respect their words. How many times we were fucked by politicians.

3) Politicians when elected often protect themselves to remove the power of the people. The people have to wait 4 or 5 years before to vote a new politician.

4) Democracies are slow.

What is good in anarchism.
Everybody contributes for what he likes and cooperates for big challenges.
Small communities are more dynamic.
It's flexible, terribly flexible.

Yeah, OK you had a shot at democracy, but the alternative is ???
And the anarchy thing isn't, as you stated , you're free to leave , so using that logic people will be moving from community to community daily, hourly, whatever ........ That's the problem, and on a 7 billion world population just works in minds but not reality

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Under xyzde69's system, this is where some guys with AK-47s point them at you, and MAKE you clean up the shit.

And because you are a deviationist saboteur and wrecker, you get a whole bunch of extra shifts cleaning up the shit.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Yeah, OK you had a shot at democracy, but the alternative is ???
And the anarchy thing isn't, as you stated , you're free to leave , so using that logic people will be moving from community to community daily, hourly, whatever ........ That's the problem, and on a 7 billion world population just works in minds but not reality

Alternative to big democratic nations is small anarchist communities or maybe more participative small democracies (as the Scandinavian ones).

Seven billions! Yeap it's maybe too late.
That's what happened because we let capitalist monsters letting free market running the world instead to planify the society as Chinese did.
Marx was right in a lot of points, but you are too proud to admit it or maybe you don't know one single word of his brilliant analysis.

I was a capitalist. I slowly became skeptical about it. Now I'm almost sure, it's a disgusting system.
During my life, I changed my point of view.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Let me tell you some points among a lot that I dislike in a lot in our typical democracies (not all, I've got more respect for Scandinavian democracies that can revoke at any time unfair politicians.).

wait for it .....

Originally Posted by xyzde69

1) Imbeciles can be manipulated by biaised arguments and will vote sometimes against their own interests because they are afraid.

At least we get proper choices between parties who have different ideological ideas, rather than just different shades of red
How we use our votes is up to the individual, they can and have been used tactically to keep someone out rather than supporting someone

Originally Posted by xyzde69

2) Very often, candidates elected democratically finally DO NOT respect their words. How many times we were fucked by politicians.

That is true of politicians in all countries whether democratic or pseudo-Marxist, hence the old saying "It doesn't matter who you vote for as the Government always get in".
It's only the colour of the curtains in the windows that changes.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

3) Politicians when elected often protect themselves to remove the power of the people. The people have to wait 4 or 5 years before to vote a new politician.

Tell that to Marxist supremo Vladimir (El Presidente for life) Putin Socialist leaders have a proven track record in changing electoral rules to hang onto office as they get used to the trappings of power.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

4) Democracies are slow.

Communist states are either regressive or largely dormant waiting to see what the glorious leader has declared the next five year plan to be.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

For sure, you always will find some negative points.

Yup

You've rumbled us

[Roubignol]

@ wendigo.

Anarchism does not recognise nations (BTW ideologically communism too, but they were confronted to still endoctrinated people defending their own state of serfs).
Anarchism promotes small communities, like villages and regions.

Today the nations in which we live are the remainders of old monarchies.
Their borders, currencies, economic systems, etc... do not correspond with the wishes of a lot of their citizens.
Did you observe that during the elections, the abstainers could be considered as the most important Party!

[Wendigo]

Anarchism is the equivalent of mankind deciding to go back to our simian roots, it will never happen, it's an idealists wet dream

If people want to live in a kibbutz then great, it's a free world (where I am anyway) maybe you want to send an ambassador to the Amish to learn from them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg